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Old 05-22-2011, 08:00 PM
 
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There was a debate recently where Cain cleaned the floor with the other republicans, he wasn't being taken seriously before that but is now.

Which is honestly a really good thing for the Republican party. He (by getting people enthusiastic and turning out to vote) and Huntsman (by swinging moderates) are the only two Republican primary candidates with a realistic chance to win the general election (although Huntsman would be better, but, it doesn't look like that is happening). Anyone-but-Obama only flies if you have a decent alternative, and Romney would just end up as Kerry-2012-version.
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Old 05-22-2011, 08:26 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If Adolf Hitler were still alive today, he would definitely be cheering Palestine on from his prison cell.

You know where "Arian" comes from?

Iran.
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Old 05-22-2011, 08:27 PM
 
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Yeah, me too. I'm listening!
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Old 05-22-2011, 08:30 PM
 
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there is peace in israel. It's palestine that has the problem. There won't be peace between israel and palestine under cain. Or under obama. Or under anyone. The palestinians don't want peace. They want the complete destruction of all jews.

bingo!
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Old 05-22-2011, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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another reason to NOT vote for him.
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Old 05-22-2011, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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no, they just want their land back.
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There is peace in Israel. It's Palestine that has the problem. There won't be peace between Israel and Palestine under Cain. Or under Obama. Or under anyone. The Palestinians don't want peace. They want the complete destruction of all Jews.
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Old 05-22-2011, 08:39 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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no, they just want their land back.


Moses led the "Israelite's out of Egypt, to where exactly?


You may want to rethink, the misinformation you have been fed.
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Old 05-22-2011, 08:40 PM
 
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I'm sure they would agree to nothing, that sounds like a good deal.
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Old 05-22-2011, 08:51 PM
 
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no, they just want their land back.
No one has any more fundamental "right" to land or natural resources than anyone else. Marx said private property is theft, and he's easy to dismiss since it's clear wealth built through innovation, or hard work, or living below your means is not theft, but, the private ownership of things created by god/nature/whatever is. Why should Saudi Arabia be able to effectively tax the entire world because they happened to live above a bunch of oil? Why does America (and not, say, the remaining Native Americans) have the moral right to all our land? Seriously, it is a legitimate question.

In practice, the concept of state sovereignty over territory and private ownership of land is USEFUL. Why would you ever invest in building a house if you didn't own the underlying property? Why work a farm if anyone can pick the harvest? This extends through the individual and national level.

In a nutshell, the entire debate as to who has more of a "right" to the land is silly. Arabs owned a lot of it under the ottomans and before them, the Israelis own it now and owned it before way back in antiquity, but, in the end there is and never can be a compelling moral argument for the "right" to natural resources.

Which in the end, reduces the issue to the practical dimension. Israelis, and not Palestinians, live on that land now. Israelis, and not Palestinians, cultivated the desert land and built a backwater into a first-world state. Those are darned good practical claims to ownership. Moral though? Neither side has one, neither side could have one, no one can -- no one made the land, it was there before there were people on it and will be there afterwards as well.
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Old 05-22-2011, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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So there will never be peace in Isreal under Cain.
How long have we been giving to the palestinians? How's that "peace" going for you?

There will NEVER be peace, until one is thoroughly defeated, and begs for peace without conditions.
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