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Originally Posted by BentBow
Who exactly did Moses lead out of Egypt?
The Palestinians?
No! The Israelite's were lead from Egypt, by Moses. Are you rewriting history, once again?
No, I'm saying the Jews writing a book that says "Hey, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee're special" doesn't make it so.
I'm saying the "My God is better than your God" argument should be placed on the trash pile where it belongs, no matter what 2 Gods you care to plug in.
watch out, the government might be willing to take that property you own....
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Originally Posted by ALackOfCreativity
As I said, the concept of private land ownership is USEFUL, even if there is no fundamental MORAL right to land or natural resources. Your analogy to a carjacking or home invasion (both potentially violent and crimes against created property, rather than natural property) absolutely miss the entire point. Heck, I even explicitly remarked as to why Marx's collective indictment of all private property was faulty in a world with created wealth, but, hey, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you just didn't read it, and not that you are simply stupid .
although funny enough, your attitude seems to be that having ownership implies a moral right to ownership, and if you accept that attitude, then the Israelis would have a moral right to it, assuming any real degree of intellectual consistency.
Of course, I reject that claim to moral right because there is no moral right to ownership of land period beyond what we play pretend exists for practical purposes, but, if you claim that the arabs on the land had a right to it because they formerly owned it (or to be more historically accurate, owned it before the ottomans and the british), then Israel now has that same right for the same reason. You can't have it one way but not the other (well, technically you can, but, that would make you a hypocrite).
You don't offer concessions for peace unless you are in a position of weakness. Peace is its own reward for both sides. If you have to offer something for peace that means that one side does not really want peace. If the Palistinians accepted unconditional peace then, after a few decades of proving their intentions, they would be able to get many concenssions because Israel will be much more willling to work with a proven partner in peace than for one who seems only interested in wiping it off the map. Cain is right; the Palistinians are not, and never have been, interested in peace.
You don't offer concessions for peace unless you are in a position of weakness.
Then let us hope that Israel's unwillingness to listen to America leads to America letting Israel be the grown up it claims to be, and let it be on its own. Let the free market decide, with absolutely no military/political backing from the US. Done?
Then let us hope that Israel's unwillingness to listen to America leads to America letting Israel be the grown up it claims to be, and let it be on its own. Let the free market decide, with absolutely no military/political backing from the US. Done?
I think that Einstein just rolled over in his grave again.
Then let us hope that Israel's unwillingness to listen to America leads to America letting Israel be the grown up it claims to be, and let it be on its own. Let the free market decide, with absolutely no military/political backing from the US. Done?
Done? Hardly.
That just opens the second act.
play that hand out... where does it get you?
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