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Old 05-25-2011, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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If that is your conclusion, I would say your world view, and application of realities is extremely limited.
Do you need a cup of coffee or something? You're like the "order up" cook on In Living Color at this point. Did someone put a stop payment on your reality check?
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Old 05-25-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Do you need a cup of coffee or something? You're like the "order up" cook on In Living Color at this point.
No thanks. Coffee is not what I think of when making an argument. You may keep that idea and practice with yourself.
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Old 05-25-2011, 12:42 PM
 
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No thanks. Coffee is not what I think of when making an argument. You may keep that idea and practice with yourself.
That's the problem. Your arguments are making less sense with every post. You do the name zero justice. I think the term you were looking for is fabricating an argument.
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Old 05-25-2011, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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That's the problem. Your arguments are making less sense with every post. You do the name zero justice. I think the term you were looking for is fabricating an arguement.
Argument? I wish I had an opportunity to.
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Old 05-25-2011, 01:05 PM
 
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You're trying to deflect from the original point which was: The USA helped define the state of Israel and its borders. That case is now closed unless you would like to deny it.

As for extermination of the state of Israel, it would take an idiot to assume that when there is a fight for land, the enemies from only one side is out to exterminate the other.
Questions:
1) How is Israel going to "exterminate" the Palestinians? (And who exactly is defined as a Palestinian?) Isn't it strange that in 1948 there were about 700K refugees yet now, after years of extermination, their number is roughly 5M + ? (BTW, Palestinians are the only group who inherit the title "refugee". The other 50M global refugees are refugees for a limited time, then considered settled).
2) If you recognize that there are Palestinians with "exterminating" intention, why would Israel help them, by making concessions, giving up land, and passing funds to these groups?
3) Why would Israel want to annihilate the Palestinians , when at the same time they hope to be accepted by their neighbors?
4) Why they didn't do it so far, even they have the capabilities for years?
5) Are you aware that there are political parties in Israel and many non political groups that advocate peace at any cost? Where are the parallel Muslim/Arab groups?

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Old 05-25-2011, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Questions:
1) How is Israel going to "exterminate" the Palestinians? (And who exactly is defined as a Palestinian?)
2) Why would they do that, when at the same time they hope to be accepted by their neighbors?
3) Why they didn't do it so far, even they have the capabilities for years?
4) Are you aware that there are political parties in Israel and many non political groups that advocate peace almost at any cost? Where are the parallel Muslim/Arab groups?
5) If you recognize that there are Palestinians with "exterminating" intention, why would Israel help them, by making concessions, giving up land, and passing funds to these groups?
1) Simply by maintaining a business as usual mantra. If you care about learning who would qualify as a Palestinian, I would say the people within Palestine who were asked by the Brits (who were ruling the region at the time) to accomodate Jewish neighbors, and eventually a State of Israel. Whose lands have been taken over since. If you want to see them in person, I wouldn't mind contributing you to a flotilla ticket to be with them (that is if Israel lets you get through).

2) Why would they do that? Because they want it. Acceptance by neighbors, however, is supposed to be America's problem. Consequently, MY problem. How else do you think the following transformation has happened over the decades... what worry about acceptance by the neighbors?
http://www.friendsofsabeel.org.uk/images/Israel-Palestine_maps.jpg (broken link)

3) They HAVE been doing that for decades.

4) Is there no political opposition within Israel against it Palestinian policies?

5) A person who chooses to shove his hand into a beehive shouldn't be complaining about getting stung.
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Old 05-25-2011, 01:54 PM
 
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Your link wasn't about Jews in particular, only that many European countries have a percentage of people (ranging from 20-50%) that "don't like foreigners." Sounds more to me like "closed-mindedness."


Peace,
brian
The article covered a wide range of discrimination and was chosen as being fairly impartial. As such there was plenty of proof in there had you bothered reading it.

I thought the country that had 37% of the people that would have a hard time shaking a Jews hand rather telling.

Basically, the surveys supported that there are a lot of Europeans that don't want immigrants (gee not a shocker there) and don't like Jews. Considering Euro attitudes from even the "boomer generation" this is hardly shocking.

I find your response dishonest and evasionary.
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Old 05-25-2011, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Italy
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The article covered a wide range of discrimination and was chosen as being fairly impartial. As such there was plenty of proof in there had you bothered reading it.

I thought the country that had 37% of the people that would have a hard time shaking a Jews hand rather telling.

Basically, the surveys supported that there are a lot of Europeans that don't want immigrants (gee not a shocker there) and don't like Jews. Considering Euro attitudes from even the "boomer generation" this is hardly shocking.

I find your response dishonest and evasionary.
Has it ever crossed your mind, that many people don't like Jews simply because of what they're doing in Palestine??

There are no boogeymen. If Jews play fairly, they'll be treated like everyone else. It's that simple. No need to "poor me" the situation. If someone steals your home, it's completely understandable that you'd be angry.

Peace,
Brian
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Old 05-25-2011, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I thought the country that had 37% of the people that would have a hard time shaking a Jews hand rather telling.
Assuming (based on your previous post) that country is Bosnia, and the data is from 2001, in which case, nobody should be surprised that the perception of Jews is poor in a region that just went through an ethnic warfare of its own. BTW, your source is not entirely "unbiased". It exists to "counter" bias and prejudice.
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Old 05-25-2011, 04:10 PM
 
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1) Simply by maintaining a business as usual mantra. If you care about learning who would qualify as a Palestinian, I would say the people within Palestine who were asked by the Brits...
Bla bla bla bla bla... all you've done is post maps that are widely published by pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel websites. Just another talking head pushing the Arab agenda based on false information.

I'm surprised you haven't re-posted the Salvador, Guatemala, Congo, Algeria rhetoric that's been picked up by every Jew hating organization to justify their antisimitic views. With all the historical data demonstrating how the Jews are hated and blamed for everything as soon as socialism or fascism settles in, I'd think people like you would get a clue.

But, no... you just stay on the same talking points that have been regurgitated repeatedly. Just say you hate Jews and get it over with, because when all is said and done, people like you could care less about the Palestinians.
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