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Old 05-25-2011, 06:10 PM
 
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If Jews play fairly, they'll be treated like everyone else. It's that simple.

Peace,
Brian

It worked for them in the past right?
Everyone liked them before 1948 no?
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:39 PM
 
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1) Simply by maintaining a business as usual mantra. If you care about learning who would qualify as a Palestinian, I would say the people within Palestine who were asked by the Brits (who were ruling the region at the time) to accomodate Jewish neighbors, and eventually a State of Israel. Whose lands have been taken over since. If you want to see them in person, I wouldn't mind contributing you to a flotilla ticket to be with them (that is if Israel lets you get through).

2) Why would they do that? Because they want it. Acceptance by neighbors, however, is supposed to be America's problem. Consequently, MY problem. How else do you think the following transformation has happened over the decades... what worry about acceptance by the neighbors?


3) They HAVE been doing that for decades.

4) Is there no political opposition within Israel against it Palestinian policies?

5) A person who chooses to shove his hand into a beehive shouldn't be complaining about getting stung.
1) Are millions in Jordan also considered Palestinians? And what about the population of southern Syria? Remember, those lines were carved arbitrarily in 1919 by the British and French. It reality it was one chunk.
2) Does business as usual equal "extermination" or "annihilation"? Doesn't the growth in Palestinian population everywhere indicate the opposite?

3) Your maps are another propaganda trick. The left one, (1946) shows a very large green shaded area - presumably Palestinian, except it wasn't. There were Palestinian villages and towns in the green area, but not all of it was Palestinian. The map assumes that what wasn't settled by Jews was Palestinian by default, which is incorrect. Up to 1917 it was Ottoman occupied, and later British, but never Pal! There has never been an independent Pal state. At most, you can claim it was part of greater Syria and ruled from Damascus, by whoever occupied it (Muslims, Greeks, etc. etc)
4) The next map (1947) is another fiction, which may indicate that at some point the UN partition plan was implemented. It had never been, and you know who rejected it (BTW, a much better deal then the currently discussed Palestinian state). Therefore, in reality, you can jump from 1946 to 1948-67. The third map (1948-1967) is accurate. But why wasn't Palestinian independence discussed then? Not only Arab states, but even the Palestinians themselves didn't consider this option, when it could be easily implemented, including Jerusalem. Just a coincidence?

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Old 05-25-2011, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The silence is deafening. Facts one, propaganda zero.
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:21 PM
 
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Assuming (based on your previous post) that country is Bosnia, and the data is from 2001, in which case, nobody should be surprised that the perception of Jews is poor in a region that just went through an ethnic warfare of its own. BTW, your source is not entirely "unbiased". It exists to "counter" bias and prejudice.
You didn't even bother to read the link to know what country it was and yet it's biased.........and it was Austria.

Yes, shocking that the master race there might have a beef with jews.....
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:22 PM
 
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Has it ever crossed your mind, that many people don't like Jews simply because of what they're doing in Palestine??

There are no boogeymen. If Jews play fairly, they'll be treated like everyone else. It's that simple. No need to "poor me" the situation. If someone steals your home, it's completely understandable that you'd be angry.

Peace,
Brian
Oh, so now it's people that don't like Jews....but before it was just Israel....

Again, your ignorance of history is breath taking and I provided support to current attitudes.

Are you a holocaust denier or something?
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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What has Palestine done for us?
more so a question

where is palistine...since these 'palistinians' are jordanians

palistine does not exist...never has...unless you use the other terms Canaan, Zion, and the Land of Israel


send the 'palestinians' back to jordan
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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What has Palestine done for us?

In the interest of forum balance (like that can actually happen)… Lets discuss what America and the rest of the world have gained from the existence of Palestine.

We give them billions of dollars every year. They in turn fund terror groups and hate us. We have seen Americans killed and taken hostage there but never a benefit from the relationship.

What has America gotten for our largess? What have we gained from supporting these people?
Back in the 70s they trained socialist and communist terrorist from around the world. The PLO were trained by the USSR. that should explain why liberals support them over Israel.
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:46 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Afaik, most of the aid the Palestinians receive comes from Europe. So, if anyone it should be Europeans asking what they get in return (as if that were the purpose of giving aid in the first place ).
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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1) Are millions in Jordan also considered Palestinians? And what about the population of southern Syria? Remember, those lines were carved arbitrarily in 1919 by the British and French. It reality it was one chunk.
2) Does business as usual equal "extermination" or "annihilation"? Doesn't the growth in Palestinian population everywhere indicate the opposite?

3) Your maps are another propaganda trick. The left one, (1946) shows a very large green shaded area - presumably Palestinian, except it wasn't. There were Palestinian villages and towns in the green area, but not all of it was Palestinian. The map assumes that what wasn't settled by Jews was Palestinian by default, which is incorrect. Up to 1917 it was Ottoman occupied, and later British, but never Pal! There has never been an independent Pal state. At most, you can claim it was part of greater Syria and ruled from Damascus, by whoever occupied it (Muslims, Greeks, etc. etc)
4) The next map (1947) is another fiction, which may indicate that at some point the UN partition plan was implemented. It had never been, and you know who rejected it (BTW, a much better deal then the currently discussed Palestinian state). Therefore, in reality, you can jump from 1946 to 1948-67. The third map (1948-1967) is accurate. But why wasn't Palestinian independence discussed then? Not only Arab states, but even the Palestinians themselves didn't consider this option, when it could be easily implemented, including Jerusalem. Just a coincidence?
1) Considering that the idea of State of Israel was conceived and carved out of Palestine, technically the people living in those region (and their descendents) would be Palestinians.


If some Palestinians choose to be a part of Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, it is a choice they have had.

2) Yes. As for population growth, if there are people wanting to be second class citizens over the cruelty that goes on, via blockade or otherwise, in West Bank and Gaza, there is always a potential for many to choose so. Fertility rate of the Arabs has dropped drastically inside Israel, although, I wouldn't put too much emphasis on that as telling us much.

3) The map you're dismissing shows the Palestinian territory over a period of time. Of course, people don't live on every inch of land in any territory. May be that is a propaganda you would have everybody buy into?

4) Is doesn't matter. There was no State of Israel there, and wouldn't have been, if not for the Brits, the US and the UN as a whole.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Afaik, most of the aid the Palestinians receive comes from Europe. So, if anyone it should be Europeans asking what they get in return (as if that were the purpose of giving aid in the first place ).
That is more telling of what humanitarianism, charity truly means. Here in America, those dwelling in religiosity believe that charity should result in a favor returned. The "Christians" think that when Christ said this...

"Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.

So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.

But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you."

They conclude that Jesus meant... What is in it for me, and for my causes?
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