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Do you think a man with his penis in another man's behind is not a homosexual act, whether forced or consensual??...further, what exactly are you talking about, "it gives no information...".
The thread is plainly titled "is a man whorapes another man gay"
I was responding to your post in particular, and to your use of the word "sodomize" in particular. You said "if a man sodomizes another man, he has committed a homosexual act", which is true, but that doesn't mean he is necessarily homosexual. That's where the erroneous leap is being made.
Rape is very different from sex in that it isn't indicative of orientation. Rape is about power. Sex is being used as a tool for abuse. It's not about expressing one's sexuality or sexual orientation.
A man putting his penis in another man's behind is a homosexual act in the sense that it's male-on-male, but it doesn't make someone homosexual. Rape aside, someone could be just experimenting but still identify themselves as straight. In many prison situations, men and women who usually identify as straight and have heterosexual relations in the world at large turn to homosexual behavior. Since they have no opposite-sex options, they have no choice but to choose same-sex partners.
In Iran, male prison guards rape male prisoners as part of punishment for a variety of crimes. However the male prisoners don't identify themselves as gay, and are actually particularly rough on prisoners who have received their sentence as a result of a homosexual act.
As you can see, there are plenty of situations where a homosexual act isn't indicative of a homosexual orientation. Having gay sex doesn't make you gay.
I was responding to your post in particular, and to your use of the word "sodomize" in particular. You said "if a man sodomizes another man, he has committed a homosexual act", which is true, but that doesn't mean he is necessarily homosexual. That's where the erroneous leap is being made.
Rape is very different from sex in that it isn't indicative of orientation. Rape is about power. Sex is being used as a tool for abuse. It's not about expressing one's sexuality or sexual orientation.
A man putting his penis in another man's behind is a homosexual act in the sense that it's male-on-male, but it doesn't make someone homosexual. Rape aside, someone could be just experimenting but still identify themselves as straight. In many prison situations, men and women who usually identify as straight and have heterosexual relations in the world at large turn to homosexual behavior. Since they have no opposite-sex options, they have no choice but to choose same-sex partners.
In Iran, male prison guards rape male prisoners as part of punishment for a variety of crimes. However the male prisoners don't identify themselves as gay, and are actually particularly rough on prisoners who have received their sentence as a result of a homosexual act.
As you can see, there are plenty of situations where a homosexual act isn't indicative of a homosexual orientation. Having gay sex doesn't make you gay.
In Iran, male prison guards rape male prisoners as part of punishment for a variety of crimes. However the male prisoners don't identify themselves as gay, and are actually particularly rough on prisoners who have received their sentence as a result of a homosexual act.
As you can see, there are plenty of situations where a homosexual act isn't indicative of a homosexual orientation. Having gay sex doesn't make you gay.
If a gay man rapes a woman is he straight? I don't think so. So any man who rapes another man is not instantly homosexual. They have committed a crime first and a sexual act second. I can't believe people think that if someone does anything even approximately gay they're gay. Is a husband a wife if he carries his wife's purse? Do labels transfer that easily? Pah! Only for the ignorant and hateful.
If a gay man rapes a woman is he straight? I don't think so. So any man who rapes another man is not instantly homosexual. They have committed a crime first and a sexual act second. I can't believe people think that if someone does anything even approximately gay they're gay. Is a husband a wife if he carries his wife's purse? Do labels transfer that easily? Pah! Only for the ignorant and hateful.
If sodomy against a man by another man is "approximately" gay, exactly what do you consider gay?...
Last edited by reconmark; 05-27-2011 at 04:46 PM..
If sodomy against a man bt another man is "approximately" gay, exactly what do you consider gay?...
There's gay sex and then there's being gay. One can be gay and not even have sex. There is no way that the occurrence of gay sex whether forced or not makes a person gay. I leave the distinction to the individuals involved, since it's none of my business.
Shades of gray everywhere and so many of them full of real color.
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