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If what the OP says were true then they would be eliable for SSI and other programs. If its not fixed then medicare will disappear one day. Already i 2012 the remebursement rate is sheduled tocut to 30% of thew avarge that private insurancer pays accroding to the mediare trustees report just given.Its not like SS is a retirement plan as has been said for decades now.Even the SS truateee reproted they estimate in 2026 at latest when SS fund start operating at a loss that the acorss the board cuts to those getting it will be cut to 77% as required by law if not fixed also. Some would run the government broke to point of diasterous default for their own greed.Democrats have been kicking the SS'medicare and medicaid down the road for deacdes now ignoring the warnings. They would break them and leave other in the future to pay the bills and get nothing.
If what the OP says were true then they would be eliable for SSI and other programs. If its not fixed then medicare will disappear one day. Already i 2012 the remebursement rate is sheduled tocut to 30% of thew avarge that private insurancer pays accroding to the mediare trustees report just given.Its not like SS is a retirement plan as has been said for decades now.Even the SS truateee reproted they estimate in 2026 at latest when SS fund start operating at a loss that the acorss the board cuts to those getting it will be cut to 77% as required by law if not fixed also. Some would run the government broke to point of diasterous default for their own greed.Democrats have been kicking the SS'medicare and medicaid down the road for deacdes now ignoring the warnings. They would break them and leave other in the future to pay the bills and get nothing.
If "what the OP says were true, then "they" would be eligble for SSI and other programs".....?????
You're average Social Security retiree would need to pay 90% of his Social Security benefits to pay for what the GOP Medicare Voucher plan does not cover.
Anyone with half a brain could see the flaws in this comparison..
You cant compare the current 2022 expenses to the 2037 one, with the changes, one without. A fair comparison would be to compare 2037 under current expenditures, and 2037 under the changes. We ALL know that future costs are going to rise
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And remember! .....There is no need to cut Medicare or Social Security in order to balance the Federal budget.
You keep saying this, but we dont live in a static economy..
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In a day and age when the gap between rich and poor is the greatest in our Nation's history,
Yep, the gap keeps getting bigger, while liberals keep asking for more policies expanding the poor.. Thats rather silly to complain about the ramifications of policies you support.
How does Obamacare get rid of Medicare when it actually keeps the program solvent longer?
No it didnt. The CBO reports show that it kept the program longer, but that was only after they removed certain parts of the bill and passed them seperately. When the total ramifications were put into place, the results were completely negative, all across the board. Deficits, job killing, etc.
What's this left wing delusion that increasing tax rates produces greater revenue?
Reagan cut taxes and revenue doubled.
The problem is Congress found all sorts of crap to spend it on.
We have some of the highest corporate tax rates in the world, and the very highest in the industrialized world, yet companies like GE pay zero US taxes or almost no taxes at all.
The only problem we really have is liberals can't understand anything except the static model.
No it didnt. The CBO reports show that it kept the program longer, but that was only after they removed certain parts of the bill and passed them seperately. When the total ramifications were put into place, the results were completely negative, all across the board. Deficits, job killing, etc.
The preventative care provisions and changing the system to be based on quality outcomes instead of just paying for quantity of operations will greatly improve the finances of the program. Economists from the right and left have said that and the CBO has said that, contrary to your partisan views. Also, the Medicare Advisory board will root out waste, fraud, and abuse each year and will constantly be looking to save money and improve outcomes.
That is not the end of saving Medicare, it's the beginning.
The preventative care provisions and changing the system to be based on quality outcomes instead of just paying for quantity of operations will greatly improve the finances of the program. Economists from the right and left have said that and the CBO has said that, contrary to your partisan views.
Wrong, the CBO had numerous reports that indicated the costs increased. They only got a report that said things were being "saved" by Obamacare by seperating things out of the original bill, like the doc fix (HR 3961), and passing them as a seperate bill.
Do you have anything that says the CBO reports are wrong, or should I simply take your word for it?
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Also, the Medicare Advisory board will root out waste, fraud, and abuse each year and will constantly be looking to save money and improve outcomes.
That is not the end of saving Medicare, it's the beginning.
More myth, you didnt need to pass Obamacare to find waste, fraud, and abuse.. If it was there, they could have rooted it out and reduced the spending $500B, which actually would have EXPANDED the number of people being treated.
Wrong, the CBO had numerous reports that indicated the costs increased. They only got a report that said things were being "saved" by Obamacare by seperating things out of the original bill, like the doc fix (HR 3961)
Do you have anything that says the CBO reports are wrong, or should I simply take your word for it?
More myth, you didnt need to pass Obamacare to find waste, fraud, and abuse.. If it was there, they could have rooted it out and reduced the spending $500B, which actually would have EXPANDED the number of people being treated.
obamacare is a TAX bill.. THATS IT!!!
Look, you can have your own opinions, but you can't have your own facts.
Obamacare is a slightly more liberal version of the Heritage Foundation's version of health care reform. It's almost exactly the same as Romneycare.
Again, do you have something to indicate the CBO is wrong? You seem to not know that Obamacare was passed under numerous bills, not just one, in order to make the bill seem positive and hiding all the negatives
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Obamacare is a slightly more liberal version of the Heritage Foundation's version of health care reform. It's almost exactly the same as Romneycare
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