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Old 06-09-2011, 12:44 PM
 
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APOLOGY!

To Chilegirl; I went back and reread the thread and I did get SourD's post mixed up with some others.

I was wrong.


She's my humble pie.............
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:45 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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Why does the person that is stuck with the support payments go to jail if they can't pay, but the one that wants the child will get assistence if they can't pay? Shouldn't the man also get assistance to pay his child support if he can't make the payments?
A woman has to go to jail too if she doesn't pay what the court orders her to. There is no sexual bias that you fantasize about here.
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:47 PM
 
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A woman has to go to jail too if she doesn't pay what the court orders her to. There is no sexual bias that you fantasize about here.
Stop spinning, you are making yourself dizzy. Does the mother go to jail if she can't afford to feed her children that she has IN HER CUSTODY? NO! She will get assistance. Why shouldn't the man get some type of temporary assistance if he can't pay instead of going to jail?
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:48 PM
 
Location: PA
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Its actually simple and not the answer anyone wants to hear.
Men and women have the right to do what they want to their bodies and their actions.
Governments make your responsible for your actions when it comes to creating life.
Since government generally protects life in the court of law women and men are responsible for that life. The decision to end a life in the women's body should have some barring and decision on the male. Either way every time you have sex NATURE is calling you to procreate and take responsiblity for the life you created.
In all of our creation having sex of natural means without birth control and or with it will result in outcomes you can not predict. Having sex is a gamble one way or another it will be something you deal with in life, via guilt, pressure, child support, abortion, relationship health and or physical health.
Everything in sex comes with a risk.
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:49 PM
 
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Stop spinning, you are making yourself dizzy. Does the mother go to jail if she can't afford to feed her children that she has IN HER CUSTODY? NO! She will get assistance. Why shouldn't the man get some type of temporary assistance if he can't pay instead of going to jail?
if he is the custodial parent he gets the same options, otherwise he needs to learn how to budget or get off his deadbeat butt and get a job
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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Why does the person that is stuck with the support payments go to jail if they can't pay, but the one that wants the child will get assistence if they can't pay? Shouldn't the man also get assistance to pay his child support if he can't make the payments?
great point!
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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If a female doesn't want the responsibility/financial stress that goes along with parenthood, she can get an abortion and never look back. Even if the male wants to keep the baby, the female has the power to get an abortion.

So why do the males get no say? If a female can just walk away from the responsibility if she doesn't want a baby, a male should be able to do the same thing.

If the female wants to keep the baby but the male doesn't, the male gets stuck paying child support.

In both examples, one parent wants to keep the baby. So why does the male get stuck paying for a baby he doesn't want?

Of course the male can't get an abortion. But I don't think the male should need to pay child support for a baby he doesn't want.

Sure, you might be thinking "The male helped create the baby. If the female wants to keep it, the male should pay"

But it takes two to tango. Both parents played an equal role in creating the baby. So if the male can't force the female to pay, why should the female be able to force the male to pay?

By the way, I am pro-choice. I support abortion and I don't see anything wrong with a female getting an abortion if she doesn't want to pay for a baby. But if a male doesn't want to pay for a baby, he shouldn't need to either.
Then who will we charge? Will the innocent child's expenses be covered by the state, and therefore all taxpayers and not only the one who is co-responsible, or will the child have to go without?

Abortion should be illegal, IMO. That'll solve it all, and make it impossible to walk away from one's free choice (assuming they are not <1% of women who get abortions because of rape).
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:54 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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Stop spinning, you are making yourself dizzy. Does the mother go to jail if she can't afford to feed her children that she has IN HER CUSTODY? NO! She will get assistance. Why shouldn't the man get some type of temporary assistance if he can't pay instead of going to jail?
You are being purposefully obtuse. I have already stated earlier, the judge determines what the father can afford to pay. If he chooses not to comply, that isn't because he can't pay - he CHOOSES NOT TO. Get it now, skippy?

BTW - the assistance is for the child, not the mother.

If you have illegitimate kids running around and you don't want to pay support - here's an idea - ask for 50% custody. I have a male acquaintance who did exactly this so he wouldn't have to pay his ex a dime. He gets the kids 7 days, she gets the kids 7 days....problem solved.
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:56 PM
 
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if he is the custodial parent he gets the same options, otherwise he needs to learn how to budget or get off his deadbeat butt and get a job
Same with the mom that is getting assistance right? See the double standard now?
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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You are being purposefully obtuse. I have already stated earlier, the judge determines what the father can afford to pay. If he chooses not to comply, that isn't because he can't pay - he CHOOSES NOT TO. Get it now, skippy?

BTW - the assistance is for the child, not the mother.

If you have illegitimate kids running around and you don't want to pay support - here's an idea - ask for 50% custody. I have a male acquaintance who did exactly this so he wouldn't have to pay his ex a dime. He gets the kids 7 days, she gets the kids 7 days....problem solved.
Skippy? Hey patty, what if the man HAS NO JOB or NO INCOME like many mothers out there? What happens then? Nobody pays anything? You people are not reading what I am writing here. I never once said if the man REFUSES to pay. I'm saying he CAN NOT pay.
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