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Old 06-15-2011, 01:34 PM
 
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Here's a solution:

Signing the opt-out legal document is voluntary. If a man is serious about not wanting kids, he's expected to sign the document shortly after having sex with someone for the first time, just in case she gets pregnant.
Yes that would totally solve all those problems. Heck, why didnt I think of that before? Dont you think tho the guy should sign the document before having sex, you know, just in case.
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Old 06-15-2011, 01:44 PM
 
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Yes that would totally solve all those problems. Heck, why didnt I think of that before? Dont you think tho the guy should sign the document before having sex, you know, just in case.
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You thought the whole process would take too long if the guy had to sign the document after the girl found out she's pregnant/after the girl made a decision on whether or not to get an abortion.

So that's why he should sign the document ahead of time (either before having sex or shortly after having sex). That way, the courthouse would have the document on file in time. He might end up not needing the document. But the courthouse has the document just in case.

Or to make things simpler:

Each guy only has one document, and it applies to any female he has sex with
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Old 06-15-2011, 01:46 PM
 
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If a female doesn't want the responsibility/financial stress that goes along with parenthood, she can get an abortion and never look back. Even if the male wants to keep the baby, the female has the power to get an abortion.

So why do the males get no say? If a female can just walk away from the responsibility if she doesn't want a baby, a male should be able to do the same thing.

If the female wants to keep the baby but the male doesn't, the male gets stuck paying child support.

In both examples, one parent wants to keep the baby. So why does the male get stuck paying for a baby he doesn't want?

Of course the male can't get an abortion. But I don't think the male should need to pay child support for a baby he doesn't want.

Sure, you might be thinking "The male helped create the baby. If the female wants to keep it, the male should pay"

But it takes two to tango. Both parents played an equal role in creating the baby. So if the male can't force the female to pay, why should the female be able to force the male to pay?

By the way, I am pro-choice. I support abortion and I don't see anything wrong with a female getting an abortion if she doesn't want to pay for a baby. But if a male doesn't want to pay for a baby, he shouldn't need to either.
It's part of being an adult. Life is what it is. Women carry and bear children...they should get that small benefit of making certain decisions relative to that.

If you impregnate a woman, get out your wallet. That's how it's supposed to be.
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:03 PM
 
Location: California
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Each guy only has one document, and it applies to any female he has sex with
And when every guy hits puberty we give him the document to put on file or maybe have a boys parents fill one out for him at birth. Brilliant. Men never have to be responsible for anything!
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:03 PM
 
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And when every guy hits puberty we give him the document to put on file or maybe have a boys parents fill one out for him at birth. Brilliant.
No, the guy would only sign the document if he doesn't want kids.

There are guys that want kids. They would not sign the document.

And for that matter...If the guy doesn't want kids, but he thinks paying is the right thing to do, he would not sign the document either.
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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And when every guy hits puberty we give him the document to put on file or maybe have a boys parents fill one out for him at birth. Brilliant. Men never have to be responsible for anything!
Can you imagine the field day attorneys would have with an attempt for a legal document like that to be made into law?
*Note to self* sign up for law school ASAP.
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:30 PM
 
Location: California
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No, the guy would only sign the document if he doesn't want kids.

There are guys that want kids. They would not sign the document.

And for that matter...If the guy doesn't want kids, but he thinks paying is the right thing to do, he would not sign the document either.
Nobody will want kids if a simple form can keep them out of financial trouble. You can always change your mind and accept responsibility but why not cover you ass just in case? Or does this for double as something saying the man CAN NEVER have kids even if he wants?
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Nobody will want kids if a simple form can keep them out of financial trouble. You can always change your mind and accept responsibility but why not cover you ass just in case? Or does this for double as something saying the man CAN NEVER have kids even if he wants?
Just imagine......a free pass for a life of adolescence....
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:35 PM
 
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Nobody will want kids if a simple form can keep them out of financial trouble. You can always change your mind and accept responsibility but why not cover you ass just in case? Or does this for double as something saying the man CAN NEVER have kids even if he wants?
It could go either way.

If the law says the man can't change his mind once he signs the document, that's fine with me. Because I'm never having kids. If the law doesn't let them change their mind, you shouldn't complain. Because then the only men that signed the document would be the men that are serious about never wanting kids/never wanting to pay for kids.

But if the law lets men change their mind, that's fine too. If the men could sign the document, but then change their mind, why are you complaining? Because in that case, the man could change his mind and decide he wants to pay for kids after all.
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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^^^^Then why sign the document in the first place?
Your reasoning is redundant, to say the least.
Just what we need, more govt interference.
You cannot legislate morality.
Remember Prohibition?
That worked out real well, didnt it?
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