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I'll be here waiting for the "dude" to come up with a coherent response.
Well, I'll come up with a coherent response.
Even if there were only one fossil that supported the theory of evolution rather than the millions of them, that would be more concrete evidence than you've offered to support the existence of a creator. The argument that a creator MUST exist is not an argument. It's an assertion. A creator MUST exist because something had to create the universe? What you are saying is that "A" must exist because "B" exists. But that's not true. "B" can exist whether "A" exists or not. And if you introduce causality into the relationship between "A" and "B", then you cannot dismiss the question of causality between a "pre-A" and "A". If "A" can exist without causality, then "B" can exist without causality, unless you can proffer some hard evidence that "B" cannot exist without causality. You can cite the laws of thermodynamics ad nauseum, and yet they don't support your argument because they don't put forth any hard evidence that "B" cannot exist without causality. The laws of science describe the world around us as it is today. And science has gaps. Our understanding of our world, or our universe, is incomplete. As humans, we endeavor to fill in those gaps, to make our understanding of the universe more complete. For many people, part of that understanding involves a god. Each of us see the world around us in a subjective way, and the belief in a god is subjective. Science strives to be objective. Yes, it fails. Science is a methodology practice by humans, by subjective humans who cannot escape their own personal perspectives, but the methodology itself is not subjective. (Except a lot of scientists are somewhat elitists, and look down on certain disciplines. Humans, huh? Always trying to best one another.)
Run from what? You and the others whining because you can't or won't understand it? That's pretty typical atheist strategy. You guys whine and moan about the argument regardless of the facts....then claim victory when we grow tired of your stubborness.
Is it our fault you have based your entire argument on logical fallacies and no evidence?
I honestly don't feel like typing a nice long post to get ignored by you or anyone else. But I'm not surprised that your response is "well, you just don't understand it because you must be dumb". Very typical elitist attitude that you guys tend to take on. Believe it or not, you might not be the smartest guy in the room. It is possible for a smart person to reject a fairy tale like evolution.
I think he is saying you just don't understand it, because you keep proving that you don't understand it... with all your posts on the topic.
You don't need to be particularly intelligent to understand Evolution. But taking your fingers out of your ears and opening your eyes certainly helps.
Addressing the simple fact that the cosmological argument is internally contradictory and self refuting. The specific contradiction has been pointed out to you countless times, and you run away from it every time. Two different posters have raised it in this thread alone, and you ignored both.
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You and the others whining because you can't or won't understand it?
We understand it perfectly. And we also address it directly. We do not run away. We do not ignore. We do not pretend posts were never made.
Addressing the simple fact that the cosmological argument is internally contradictory and self refuting. The specific contradiction has been pointed out to you countless times, and you run away from it every time. Two different posters have raised it in this thread alone, and you ignored both.
We understand it perfectly. And we also address it directly. We do not run away. We do not ignore. We do not pretend posts were never made.
We answer you.
You on the other hand run away. Every time.
...or they constantly repeat the same question over and over again, pretending they didn't hear/see anything.
Since when is clinging to creationism thinking "outside the box"? That's been the normative story for thousands of years. Science and the prospect of no creator is actually the true "out of the box" thinking.
You think spewing Darwin is "out of the box thinking"? There are no other possible ideas or theories? I hope not because learning will become stagnant if that is all we do.
Run from what? You and the others whining because you can't or won't understand it? That's pretty typical atheist strategy. You guys whine and moan about the argument regardless of the facts....then claim victory when we grow tired of your stubborness.
Except that is exactly what you are doing.
You accuse others of not being able to understand, then dismiss their explanations and say that it can not be understood... you accuse them of being stubborn, even as you dismiss, insult, and demean them rather than consider what they say.... you accuse them of declaring "Victory" without cause, why you at the same time declare you have "proven" your claim when you have not for the reasons they have mentioned.
I also love your assertion that anyone that disagrees with you must be an Atheist or at the very least the hasty generalization of implying that most are. You do realize people could both believe in God or have faith... and still find flaw in your logic or disagree with your claims right?
You have not provided any facts regarding your claim, you have presented correlation and parlayed that into assertion to make a claim that your opinion is factual without proving a single claim you have made. That is the point... there is no "proof" for God as the only logical possibility for cause, just as there is no logical proof why a dogmatic belief should be presented and taught as science.
That might be a challenge for them. It requires brain processes.
You must have a low self esteem problem, I find that with people who like to attempt to belittle anyone who does not think like they do. The great ones had and have ideas of their own.
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