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Never in any of these threads has anyone come up with any evidence at all, except to assert that evolution etc., isn't perfected yet.
This is what the Discovery Institute has conceded as to all they have. No Scientific Theory, merely a challenge to evolution. Nothing as of yet that's even remotely as robust as a bona-fide Scientific Theory to replace the ToE.
No, creationism is not a theory. Here's how it works:
Development of a Simple Theory by the Scientific Method:
Start with an observation that evokes a question: Broth spoils when I leave it out for a couple of days. Why?
The universe exists. Why?
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Using logic and previous knowledge, state a possible answer, called a Hypothesis: Tiny organisms floating in the air must fall into the broth and start reproducing.
The universe was created.
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Perform an experiment or Test: After boiling some broth, I divide it into two containers, one covered and one not covered. I place them on the table for two days and see if one spoils. Only the uncovered broth spoiled.
Causality shows us that everything that exists was caused by something else to exist.
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Then publish your findings in a peer-reviewed journal. Publication: "Only broth that is exposed to the air after two days tended to spoil. The covered specimen did not."
This is difficult to do when the ones that publish those journals won't let anyone in that doesn't agree with them. However, the cosmological argument is an old one and has been around since before the scientific model.
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Other scientists read about your experiment and try to duplicate it. Verification: Every scientist who tries your experiment comes up with the same results. So they try other methods to make sure your experiment was measuring what it was supposed to. Again, they get the same results every time.
Causality is an accepted thing among most scientists today.
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In time, and if experiments continue to support your hypothesis, it becomes a Theory: Microorganisms from the air cause broth to spoil.
Again...experiments routinely conclude that causality exists. Thus, creationism should be widely accepted: The universe exists, so it was caused.
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As you see, creationism is not a theory. It's a hypothesis, but it's not been tested and published in peer-reviewed, scientific journals and re-tested.
Creationism is a hypothesis based on religion. It is not a theory.
Faith is triumphing over both evidence and logic. No surprise there.
FWIW - The origins of this universe is being studied by many skilled physicists. They have not concluded what the universe actually is (check out string theory) let alone how it happened. My guess is we are the result of the collapse of a previous universe through a humongous black hole. I have no way to experiment with this hypothesis so that is where it remains.
I don't disagree with your point. But I think it goes without saying that it doesn't matter whether the student learns one theory in Room 25 in the Science Building and the other theory in Room 12 in the History Building. In conjunction with, or completely separate....it simply doesn't matter WHERE they learn it. I believe that it is important to expose students to all theories involving life on Planet earth in order to promote critical thinking skills. Which is what I said from the very beginning of this thread.
In my view, your point is moot.
Yes, it does matter WHERE they learn it. Context always matters. That's why pop culture may be covered in a sociology course, but probably not in a World History course. Shakespeare isn't taught in the geology classes, and religion does not belong in the biology courses. If you teach religion in a science class, it gives religion science credibility that religion does not merit.
Faith is triumphing over both evidence and logic. No surprise there.
FWIW - The origins of this universe is being studied by many skilled physicists. They have not concluded what the universe actually is (check out string theory) let alone how it happened. My guess is we are the result of the collapse of a previous universe through a humongous black hole. I have no way to experiment with this hypothesis so that is where it remains.
Causality shows us that everything that exists was caused by something else to exist.
This is difficult to do when the ones that publish those journals won't let anyone in that doesn't agree with them. However, the cosmological argument is an old one and has been around since before the scientific model.
Causality is an accepted thing among most scientists today.
Again...experiments routinely conclude that causality exists. Thus, creationism should be widely accepted: The universe exists, so it was caused.
Nope. Try again.
If you apply your causality argument to the universe, you have to apply that same argument in turn to the "creator". If the creator exists, it was caused by something else to exist. Per your own argument. So, who, what created the creator? If you can wrap your mind around the concept that the creator is eternal, and did not require a creator, then how can you not understand the concept that others believe, that the universe did not require a creator and is eternal?
I have repeatedly given a logical deduction using the cosmological argument for why the universe was created. It's as scientific as any theory about us evolving from apes.
Yeah, it's a brilliant piece of logic. "Everything is created, hence there must be something that's not created, because when I said "everything", I obviously didn't mean - well, everything. Anyway, I call this something God."
Causality shows us that everything that exists was caused by something else to exist.
Is God part of the set you named "everything that exists"?
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