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Old 08-05-2011, 07:58 PM
 
Location: it depends
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Originally Posted by beenhereandthere View Post
Wow these GOP sheep,.....in the house of reps, since Obama was elected, the GOP has killed 10 job bills.....ok!
The bloated, feather-bedding garbage that the Democrats have produced in order to spray large amounts of taxpayer dollars at their friends, under the guise of jobs bills, are nothing of the sort.


When will some people catch on to the idea that the phrase "job bill" is a contradiction in terms? A law that says CO2 is not a pollutant would be a jobs bill. A law that prohibits the NLRB from closing a plant because it does not like where the company chose to locate it would be a jobs bill. A law that requires the EPA to have adequate scientific evidence prior to issuing regulations, or to consider the effect on employment, would be a jobs bill. A law that rationalized America's insane punishment of American corporations for doing business in America would be a jobs bill.

I'm just sayin'.
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Old 08-05-2011, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Here
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The bloated, feather-bedding garbage that the Democrats have produced in order to spray large amounts of taxpayer dollars at their friends, under the guise of jobs bills, are nothing of the sort.
They always forget that part don't they?
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Old 08-05-2011, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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No need to wonder.. its a stupid, ridiculous, job killing bill. When companies get tax credits for "military veterans", this means they wont hire people who are not military veterans. I thought we wanted to make things better for all americans, not just a select few? Ooh I get it, you think this will create jobs.. WRONG.. You guys cant seem to get anything right..
Your answer is what? Cut taxes? Maybe you can tell us all how well that worked out.
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Old 08-05-2011, 08:42 PM
 
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I knew when I posted the link to the proposed program to help veterans get back to work the neo-cons in this thread would throw them under the bus just to bash Obama for coming up with the idea. We have a lot of veterans slated to come home over the next year and adding them to the unemployment or public assistance lines after what they've been through makes no sense. Obama says he will challenge private companies to employ and train 100,000 vets by the end of 2013. The small amount of tax breaks the companies will get per veteran to give them a leg up will be a bargain compared to the cost to the tax payers of having them struggle without jobs.
Liberals must have failed elementary class..

Lets see
Private company hires 100,000 vets, which results in how many non vets getting jobs Wayland? NEGATIVE 100,000

There are only so many dam jobs to go around, its not like this is CREATING jobs because its not.
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Old 08-05-2011, 08:43 PM
 
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Your answer is what? Cut taxes? Maybe you can tell us all how well that worked out.
It dropped unemployment levels so low, that we were considered at full employment levels. You do know that, dont you?
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Old 08-05-2011, 08:52 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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It dropped unemployment levels so low, that we were considered at full employment levels. You do know that, dont you?
And then collapsed and lost what, 8 million jobs? Something like 700,000 a month? You remember that also don't you?
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Old 08-05-2011, 08:58 PM
 
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And then collapsed and lost what, 8 million jobs? Something like 700,000 a month? You remember that also don't you?
Tax cuts didnt cause the collapse
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Old 08-05-2011, 09:22 PM
 
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Republican attempt to kill the economy with the debt limit fiasco didn't work... Jobs are up despite the Republicans work to make America fail...
I found this photo of you....

http://www.vikingmagic.com/ama/med/straitjacket_new1.jpg (broken link)

Whaddaya think?
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Old 08-05-2011, 09:51 PM
 
Location: In Transition
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If you're citing this, neither you nor Obama has a clue as to how to create jobs. Seriously for a couple thousand $ tax incentive, you're seriously going to hire people right now? Seriously? Hint: you're going to have to give a company a LOT more incentive to hire now, starting with knowing what the tax climate will be in the next few years.

If anyone continues to believe the Democrat B.S. on jobs anymore, they deserve all the pain they will get.
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Old 08-05-2011, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The Labor department said the improvement in the jobless rate was due to people leaving the labor force.
BLS had originally projected in 2008 that 67% of all jobs would be, um, "created" by retiring Boomers through 2018.

You got 7 more years of waiting for Boomers to retire.

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Regardless of who is president, I want the jobs situation to continue to improve.
Then you must focus on reality.

The reality is that your global work-force cannot compete against the global work-forces of other countries, especially those in developing nations. It would be fool-hardy and a waste of time, money and resources to continue pursuing that avenue.

You need to expand your domestic work-force, but if all you're going to do is create more consumer/service oriented jobs, then you'll ultimately lose at that game as well.

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Most economists say the US needs to add 250,000 jobs per month to really make a dent on unemployment.
Then might I suggest that whatever you're reading, stop, because those numbers aren't even close.

At that rate, it would be October 2018, seven years from now when your unemployment rate returns to 5%.

At the current rate of 117,000 it never changes.

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Imagine what could be done if the GOP would work at helping rather than preventing.
Still wearing blinders.

Your unfunded liabilities are $108 TRILLION through 2050, plus another $94 TRILLION at the municipal and State level through 2050.

Your economy needs to grow at 6% per quarter every quarter through 2050 in order to pay for those unfunded liabilities.

And no, that does not include the cost of Obamacare, which is continually growing, now estimated by the CBO to be $1.3 TRILLION per year and it isn't even 2014 yet.

Since that is an impossibility, which of the many parts of your fantasy life-style to do you wish to forfeit?

Taxing the "rich" isn't going to pay for that. Even if you confiscated 100% of their wealth and assets it wouldn't pay for that.

So when do you plan to embrace reality?

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I've always found it quite ironic that the same people (especially the poor White and working class) complaining about President Obama and job creation stood by impotently and cheered on the Republicans and Corporate America as American jobs were shipped to Mexico, the Phillipines, India, Bangladesh, China, Sri Lanka and other points unknown all for the sake of short term profits by cutting their labor costs from liveable wages to slave wages. So how did these American companies think that these jobless American people (who they laid off to reap profits from cheap foreign labor) could continue to afford to buy their products without jobs?
Because they aren't so short-sighted and ignorant of reality as you are.

Like it or not, it's a global economy. Like it or not, US corporations must compete against foreign corporations in the global economy.

Why don't you explain to everyone how a US company selling its widgets at $49 each can compete against foreign competitors selling their widgets at $29 each?

Seriously. Show us the math.

Show us how US corporations can capture 80% of the global market share, selling their goods and services at twice the price of their foreign competitors.

Well, we're waiting.....

While you're at it, why don't you show everyone how US corporations can fend off hostile takeovers and leveraged buyouts by foreign competitors.

Oh, I get it, you want US corporations to be taken over by foreign competitors through hostile take-overs and leveraged buyouts, because then those foreign corporations would close the totally useless and unprofitable US production plants they now own through their hostile take-overs and leveraged buyouts, put millions of Americans out of work and just import their products.

Well, gosh, Callipoppy, your strategy is just so brilliant you deserve the Nobel Prize in Economics.

Maybe you just want to consider the possibility that shipping jobs overseas in the long terms saves at least some jobs in the US.

Now you have something new to think about.

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Next week they'll have adjusted the jobs number down by 10,000, correcting discrepancies.
No, they won't do that until the next data release.

What BLS does is conduct a survey, then apply the numbers to their incredibly faulty Birth/Death Population Model and then the unemployment numbers magically appear.

It's only after they get the hard data do they know the actual numbers (that stuff has to be reported to the Department of Commerce among things).

That's why they keep having to make revisions.

I'll also believe their survey method is faulty. For example, when they revised 54,000 jobs down to 25,000 jobs, I believe that survey was done mostly in those cities/regions that are not so greatly affected by the economy and have low unemployment rates. There are some States, cities and MSAs that only a 5%-6% unemployment rate which of course is below the national average.
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