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I'm not stupid enough to excuse anyone because of partisanship...are you?
I support Campaign Finance Reform...do you?
Why are you deflecting?
There is an entire faction of governement using Rand's warped philosophy as their guiding light. Is there faction using Frank or Rangel's philosophies and using their books as teaching tools? You made a very weak argument and I suggest you don't respond just for the sake of responding.
Ayn Rand and the Corporate Elitist Tea Party
The Tea Party has embraced much of Ayn Rand's philosophy in their own and you will hear this same rhetoric calling people "statists" and "welfare leeches" at all Tea Party events and from the Tea Party leaders.
The Tea Party would claim it has a free market ideology but in actuality it is a capitalist ideology and since it wants capitalism to control government it is actually a corporate elitist or corporatism ideology.
I'm done here. Educate yourself or don't...it's up to you.
Wow, YOU are deflecting. I asked about Rangel and Frank to point out your hypocrisy, and you deflected by using a straw man arguement technique, referring to an argument that I didn't make. No, I won't let you get away with that. Its funny, you say you aren't stupid enough to excuse for partisanship, but then go on to do just that with your excuses for the Democrats Rangel and Frank. You do know, don't you, that the Dems IGNORED the transgressions of Rangel and Frank for as long as they could, until the Republicans were able to finally bring enough attention that it couldn't be ignored anymore. The fact that the Democratic ESTABLISHMENT ignored Rangels MANY law breaking acts slays your attempt to brush off Rangel by asking for it to be a governmental philosophy. To answer even further (because I ignore nothing, unlike you),laws mean nothing if they aren't enforced. The Dems clearly ignored the illegal acts of other Dems. It renders any spoken philosophy irrelevant if one doesn't follow their own words. Campaign finance reform is out of the scope of our previous discussion, but yes, I do think it needs to be fixed. That's a seperate conversation however. nice attempt to deflect.
My argument was strong, which is why you tried a straw man of an argument to avoid directly addressing it. Thank you for playing!
You really do come across as a young college student brainwashed by your socialist professors. You'll grow out of it. Many do.
You simply do not understand that fiscal conservatives can actually come from many political philosophies. To be a capitalist isn't a philosophy which is in total. Meaning, you can have a mixed system, as we do here in the US. MOSTLY capitalist, but with some socialist catches. It seems the latter have gotten out of control. One can easily respond to you and ask if you want all capitalism taken out of our system.
LMAO! Please explain the difference between "free market" and "capitalist."
Also note that it's not good argumentation to supply a link and then tell the opposing party to look it up for themselves. I ain't clicking on your link until you explain the take away message of it. Oh, that's right, you probably have no clue what you're talking about, yet again.
And what does campaign reform have to do with any of this?
I supplied links and then I am asked for a link that I already provided and a poster comes in mid-thread and I have to backtrack??? Yeah right! You ask what Campaign Finance Reform has to do with Congressional corruption...and I don't know what I am talking about??? Give me a break...and do yourself a favor and get an education.
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I see nothing wrong with Ms. Rand (pity she did not know how to spell Ann) filing for SS benefits. She paid in.
Just like I once knew a person who preached about the need to outlaw booze. He was adamant about it. However, I did not think that there was anyting hypocritical about his drinking a fifth or so of vodka every night. I mean, no wonder he woke up each day eager to tell people of the dangers of alcohol.
Legalsea, I tried to rep you for the ironic humor in this post, but alas, the City-Data Gods have deemed I need to spread it around first.
How is wanting to get back some of the money you were forced to pay in considered wrong? The Tea Party advocates not forcing people to pay in the first place, you understand that right?
Medicare was enacted in 1965.
Ayn Rand smoked two packs of cigarettes a day. She believed all the reports that claimed smoking was bad for one's health were a governmental hoax. She chose to continue to smoke and got lung cancer.
She accepted Medicare for treatment under another name (perhaps she was ashamed that she became a looter or a beggar). The fact is; smoking leads to very expensive medical expenses! Undoubtedly, Rand took much more than she paid into Medicare. In addition, others paid for the consequences of her poor choices.
Now her followers are claiming that advice about healthy eating to prevent obesity is a government intrusion. These obese tea partiers with their diabetes and high blood pressure will undoubtedly want Medicare to pay for their poor lifestyle choices also!
Rand HAD paid in correct?
So she WAS taking her money back correct?
Paid in for about 5 years. Took Medicare for a very expensive smoking related illness for 13. Do you think she got more than she paid in for her life choices?
Paid in for about 5 years. Took Medicare for a very expensive smoking related illness for 13. Do you think she got more than she paid in for her life choices?
No idea,how much was her medical care,do you have the amount?
Sounds like a desperate attempt for self justification.
If she truly believed in her ideals, she should have gone without. She should have sacrificed for her beliefs.
She's just another right wing hypocrite. Drop the idolizing. People use her to justify treating other people like crap all the time. Whatever helps you sleep at night I suppose.
Or she could have accepted all those voluntary contributions to pay for her medical expenses.
No idea,how much was her medical care,do you have the amount?
Working in the medical profession and seeing the amount of medical care a two pack/day smoker generates, alot! She had surgery for lung cancer in 1969. She probably had COPD requiring frequent hospitalizations for treatment of recurrent pneumonia and asthma like obstructions. In addition, her lung cancer required aggressive chemotherapy and ongoing treatment including home oxygen. For sure Rand got much more than she paid into Medicare. This makes her (by her own standards) either a beggar or a looter. I'm thinking, a hypocrite!
Working in the medical profession and seeing the amount of medical care a two pack/day smoker generates, alot! She had surgery for lung cancer in 1969. She probably had COPD requiring frequent hospitalizations for treatment of recurrent pneumonia and asthma like obstructions. In addition, her lung cancer required aggressive chemotherapy and ongoing treatment including home oxygen. For sure Rand got much more than she paid into Medicare. This makes her (by her own standards) either a beggar or a looter. I'm thinking, a hypocrite!
No actual amount huh?
How much did she pay in?
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