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Old 09-02-2011, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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You seem to believe that government will somehow be more efficient. My experience tells me otherwise. For some reason, do not have time to explain why, for profit companies tend to produce a product more efficiently than governments do. That is why the USSR is out of business.

Why is it my co-workers who are veterans pay for health insurance when they got the VA for free?
I can't speak for your co-workers who are veterans. I know the VA has its own qualifiers, and some of the younger vets who do not have service related problems have more limited benefits from the VA.

Even the esteemed "Economist" magazine once ran an article about the inefficiencies of the American health care system, too much input for too little output is how I believe they expressed it. It is uniquely inefficient b/c just about everyone has a slightly different policy. Just today, I talked to a pharmacy about a drug for a patient. The cost for a week's worth would be $110 dollars. I asked if insurance would cover it and he said he didn't know; the family would have to check with their insurer and it was possible they wouldn't. You don't get that kind of stuff in a UHC. You don't have everyone with a different co-pay, different covered benefits, etc.
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Old 09-02-2011, 08:55 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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You seem to believe that government will somehow be more efficient. My experience tells me otherwise. For some reason, do not have time to explain why, for profit companies tend to produce a product more efficiently than governments do. That is why the USSR is out of business.
I don't just believe it but know it for a fact. That is probably why every other industrialised nation now has a form of UHC and are happy with it. America is now sounding like the triangle player who stands up and screams at the rest of the Orchestra that they are ALL out of time. What experience have you had with a actual UHC?... i'm not talking about the bolt oon farces in the USA but real solid UHC's. What has the USSR got to do with how the Govt funds health care..... Health care thrives in other Coubtries, it is the American health system that is "going out of business"... let's hope it dose not destroy too many more American ives before it is retired and replaced by a far better UHC health system.


Why is it my co-workers who are veterans pay for health insurance when they got the VA for free?
I don't just believe it but know it for a fact
Probably because they don't have a decent UHC to use....... NO vets in the UK get themselves private health cover.... they get great treatment in the NHS.
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Old 09-02-2011, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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I support B because we spend more money on health care than every other industrial nation, yet we are the only one without universal coverage. Something is wrong there. If they can pay less for more coverage, we can too.
There is a simple reason that. Insurance is a total rip off. Insurance companies exist for one reason, and one reason only, to make a profit. And they make big profits. These profits are money out of your pocket, that doesn't go to your health care.

Example I've never had health insurance in my life, for the above reason. But I do have automobile liability insurance, because well I don't have a choice. In my lifetime I've paid over $50,000 for that coverage, and I have never filed or had one single claim filed against that my policy. I'm paying that money for nothing. I might as well be flushing it down the toilet.

Insurance is just one more way for the rich to steal from the poor and middle class, and give nothing back. If the Government could take over all of the basic insurances needs of American Citizens with universal coverage, it would save working Americans way more money then any additional taxes that might need to be paid. Plus it would save American tax payers in general money too. Because when someone doesn't have proper insurance coverage for what ever reason, it's usually tax payers, who end up footing the bill for them anyway. It would be a win, win situation for everybody, except the rich greedy insurance companies.
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Old 09-03-2011, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Example I've never had health insurance in my life, for the above reason. But I do have automobile liability insurance, because well I don't have a choice. In my lifetime I've paid over $50,000 for that coverage, and I have never filed or had one single claim filed against that my policy. I'm paying that money for nothing. I might as well be flushing it down the toilet.
Who is forcing you to buy liability insurance?
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Old 09-03-2011, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Who is forcing you to buy liability insurance?
The state of Colorado in his case. You have to have it to drive a car in this state.

I do agree that car insurance is worse than health ins. as far as being a rip-off. As soon as you use it, they raise your rates, exactly the opposite of why you're supposedly buying insurance. But we're veering off-topic.
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Old 09-03-2011, 07:41 AM
 
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Yea, I know. I just figure that maybe someone else might read what I have to say and actually get something from it. Ya know, someone who hasn't heard our side of it.

heh, that reminds me of this video. I love it! Cuz it's true!

Andrew Klavan: Shut Up. - YouTube
Oh I know, I was just being a bit dramatic for emphasis about the way they reason things.

Yep, Klavan sums it up nicely in very simplistic terms.
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Old 09-03-2011, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Houston
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The state of Colorado in his case. You have to have it to drive a car in this state.

I do agree that car insurance is worse than health ins. as far as being a rip-off. As soon as you use it, they raise your rates, exactly the opposite of why you're supposedly buying insurance. But we're veering off-topic.
The point is he is not happy with being forced to buy auto liability insurance by a government entity. Which is actually much more justifiable than health insurance. If you drive on public roads you have to expect to pay a cost for it. Yet, he favors people being forced to pay for healthcare.

The real problem in this debate is we are simply comparing a system that is about 60% socialist, 30% fascist and 10% free market with a 100% socialist system. The fact is government has been subsidizing demand and restricting supply for decades which has led to the prohibitive cost of healthcare we have today.
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Old 09-03-2011, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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I vote for option B. By what right does anyone have the right to say that someone else should be forced to pay for their health care. Maybe if the slackers in our country were told that they got no health care unless they can pay for it, things would get better. The reality is that if they don't change the system, things will continue to get worse. Same should go for food stamps and all the other welfare programs.
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Old 09-03-2011, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Who is forcing you to buy liability insurance?
Um, the DMV. For some strange reason they think that they have a right to revoke my registration and fine me if I don't buy into the ripoff insurance.
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Old 09-03-2011, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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The point is he is not happy with being forced to buy auto liability insurance by a government entity. Which is actually much more justifiable than health insurance. If you drive on public roads you have to expect to pay a cost for it. Yet, he favors people being forced to pay for healthcare.
Incorrect, I don't have a problem with being forced to buy the insurance. I have a problem with with being forced to pay the extortion prices the fat cat insurance companies charge. The point is the cost I'm paying is not to drive on public roads. The charge I'm being forced to pay is to make the fat cat insurance companies richer. Its easy money for them.

I go into a store to buy something. I give them my money and they have to give me something a value in return. But not the insurance companies. They are just like panhandlers on the street. They take my many and put it in their pockets.
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