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You really know very little about the issue unfortunately.
That may be true, but nearly all of the information I hear about this issue is from self-righeous Jews and self-righeous Muslims who are both indignant about the topic.
The sheer immense volume of terrorism by arab muslims against jews in israel is about 500-1.
Just the fact that the usual morons at C-D have even posted in this absurd poll believing that this is a land dispute, is a sign that few here have a clue about this history or facts of this conflict.
Since you are clearly too lazy to research the issue properly, I'll sum it all up for you in the following:
1) arab muslims will not tolerate the rights or sovereignty of any other group in the middle east.
2) arab muslims believe that they alone have the right to use violence to resolve conflicts, but require everyone else - particularly if the other party is more powerful - to have to use diplomacy.
3) the arab muslims were terrorizing and murdering jews long before israel - or the settlements in the WB - even existed.
4) as long as the current regime of iran exists, peace is not possible in the middle east.
If you can comprehend those 4 points, then you can understand the conflict. The OP and a few other not-so-intelligent posters cannot, so they initiate idiotic polls like this.
The sheer immense volume of terrorism by arab muslims against jews in israel is about 500-1.
Sounds really scientific.
For the impartial observer, there's no way to distinguish the propaganda from the reality.
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Since you are clearly too lazy to research the issue properly
it's not laziness, it's apathy.
The apathy is caused by the endless stream of biased people who try and convince the world that the opposing side is inherently evil.
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If you can comprehend those 4 points, then you can understand the conflict. The OP and a few other not-so-intelligent posters cannot, so they initiate idiotic polls like this.
You need to provide unbiased sources , providing both sides of the argument, if you want me to accept those 4 points as "fact." The fourth one, for example, is a future prediction, so you're obviously lying when you call it a "Fact".
I view both the Jewish state and the Muslim states as racists and bigots and I don't trust a single word of any of them. I simply look at a map, and I see a Jewish state surrounded by Muslim states. I see a land that was, for thousands of years, Muslim, and I see Israel as an unsustainable creation of western governments.
This list is only from 1952, there were major arab terrorist attacks decades before.
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You need to provide unbiased sources , providing both sides of the argument, if you want me to accept those 4 points as "fact."
I do not NEED to do anything. You want everything spoon fed to you. An adult would get off their ass and go to the library and look up the NY Times microfiche from 1900 forward - you can list all of the terrorist attacks against jews living in the region from then forward, if not earlier.
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I view both the Jews and the Muslims as racists and bigots and I don't trust either of them.
So you admit your knowledge is miniscule, but make blanket statements of absurd broad opinion based upon that tiny level of understanding? Seriously?
This list is only from 1952, there were major arab terrorist attacks decades before.
I asked for an unbiased source and you point me to the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs. LOL.
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I do not NEED to do anything.
if you want me to change my mind, you do.
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you. An adult would get off their ass and go to the library and look up the NY Times microfiche from 1900 forward - you can list all of the terrorist attacks against jews living in the region from then forward.
Hah. "New York Times." You would pick that publication, which in my mind is the centerpiece of pro-Israel propaganda in America. You are just digging yourself a deeper hole by showing me that your information comes from biased sources.
Over half the Jews who live in Israel are actually of Arab descent. Jew have been living in the area longer than any Muslim. What exactly do you think Jesus was? Muslim? Excuse me but he was a Jew.
"Muslims" v. "Jews" has nothing to do with it. Native Palestinans (which the PLO always stated includes pre-Balfour Jews, not to mention Arab Christians) v. colonial invaders is the issue.
I view both the Jewish state and the Muslim states as racists and bigots and I don't trust a single word of any of them. I simply look at a map, and I see a Jewish state surrounded by Muslim states. I see a land that was, for thousands of years, Muslim, and I see Israel as an unsustainable creation of western governments.
Thousands of years? Do you even know what you are talking about?
Islam is roughly 1400 years old and it was a Jewish land before the Arabs conquered it. In fact, Medina (Islam's second holiest city) in Saudi Arabia was Jewish before it was Arab Muslim.
Also, there was Jewish migration to the area that is present day Israel going back to the 1880s that tolerated and even sometimes encouraged by the Ottoman Empire.
I asked for an unbiased source and you point me to the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs. LOL.
If you had any brains, you'd realize that the list is factual since anyone can easily check the past news to confirm any of the events.
Clearly, you don't.
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if you want me to change my mind, you do.
Is this english?
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Hah. "New York Times." You would pick that publication, which in my mind is the centerpiece of pro-Israel propaganda in America. You are just digging yourself a deeper hole by showing me that your information comes from biased sources.
I'm out, you're clearly a troll pretending to be "objective" and seeking to learn more but this is a lie. The NYT is known as fervently anti-israel, and further proof you have no brains is that the reason I mentioned the NYT is that they are against israel, and can still be used as a source. Further, mental superstar, name another newspaper whose clippings go back 120 years, and use them.
Thousands of years? Do you even know what you are talking about?
Islam is roughly 1400 years old and it was a Jewish land before the Arabs conquered it. In fact, Medina (Islam's second holiest city) in Saudi Arabia was Jewish before it was Arab Muslim.
Also, there was Jewish migration to the area that is present day Israel going back to the 1880s that tolerated and even sometimes encouraged by the Ottoman Empire.
excuse me, it wasn't "Muslim", for thousands of years it was, "Not Jewish" for thousands of years.
The idea of the "Land of Israel", known in Hebrew as Eretz Yisrael (or Eretz Yisroel), has been important and sacred to the Jewish people since Biblical times. According to the Torah, God promised the land to the three Patriarchs of the Jewish people.[35][36] On the basis of scripture, the period of the three Patriarchs has been placed somewhere in the early 2nd millennium BCE.[37] According to Biblical evidence, the first Kingdom of Israel was established around the 11th century BCE. Subsequent Israelite kingdoms and states ruled intermittently over the next four hundred years, and are known from various extra-biblical sources.[38][39][40][41]
Between the fall of the First Kingdom of Israel in 750 BCE and the Muslim conquests of the 7th century CE (a period of over 1500 years), the region came under Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Sassanian, and Byzantine rule.[42][43] Jewish presence in the region significantly dwindled after the failure of the Bar Kokhba revolt against the Roman Empire in 132 CE.[44] Nevertheless, there was a continuous small Jewish presence and Galilee became its religious center.[45][46] The Mishnah and part of the Talmud, central Jewish texts, were composed during the 2nd to 4th centuries CE in Tiberias and Jerusalem.[47] In 635 CE, the region, including Jerusalem, was conquered from the Byzantine Empire by the Arabs and was to remain under Muslim control for the next 1300 years.[48] Control of the region transferred between the Umayyads,[48] Abbasids,[48] and Crusaders throughout the next six centuries,[48] before being conquered by the Mamluk Sultanate, in 1260.[49] In 1516, the region was conquered by the Ottoman Empire, and remained under Turkish rule until the 20th century.[49]
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