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Old 09-01-2011, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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SO WHAT IS THE SIMPLE ANSWER? The reason why the US has such a high infant mortality rate is we count every child who is born no matter how low their chance of survival is unlike other countries.
The US doesn't have a high infant mortality rate, based on perameters other countries use.
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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There isn't.

The link posted in Post #8 is from The National Center for Public Policy Research a conservative think tank which is biased and the purpose of which is propaganda.

Here is reliable information on how infant mortality is calculated by the World Health Organization:




WHO | Health Status Statistics: Mortality (http://www.who.int/healthinfo/statistics/indneonatalmortality/en/ - broken link)

The criteria of measurement is consistent.
Unfortunately not every country uses a standard criteria. So you don't like the link? Too bad. It is still the truth. The US uses the UN criteria for infant mortality, most countries use a much looser criteria.
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:12 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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If the right really thought it was an aberration brought on by different methods it is relatively simple to correct for the differences as the US counts everything.

This does not happen. Instead the right throws up its arms and says the statistics are wrong...

Does not compute.
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:15 PM
 
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If the right really thought it was an aberration brought on by different methods it is relatively simple to correct for the differences as the US counts everything.

This does not happen. Instead the right throws up its arms and says the statistics are wrong...

Does not compute.
That is idiotic... how do you correct it? Are you going to go back to every newborn death and look at the records? Is that even feasible? If not, why make that idiotic assumption...
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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That info is interesting, but not convincing. No way a minor variation in reporting procedures would catapult the US into 41st place in the world in infant mortality, unless that's where we deserve to be.

You are linking to a conservative think tank (ie, lobbyists for the insurance companies), so it is hardly unbiased information, either.
Minor variations? Switzerland has weight and length requirements to determine infant mortality that virtually eliminate premature births from consideration.

Stop blaming the source, it is so biased it should be easy for you to produce a source that says variations in data collection are insignificant. Of course you won't be able to produce any, because you are wrong!
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:17 PM
 
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Only because other countries do not count many infant deaths at all. Those who are born at home and die there and not in a hospital. If the count was real in other countries they would be much higher than the US.
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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If the right really thought it was an aberration brought on by different methods it is relatively simple to correct for the differences as the US counts everything.

This does not happen. Instead the right throws up its arms and says the statistics are wrong...

Does not compute.
First off why is it incumbent upon the US to do this? The US doesn't produce comparative results

Secondly it would be incredibly difficult, unless the US reduced it standards.
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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That is idiotic... how do you correct it? Are you going to go back to every newborn death and look at the records? Is that even feasible? If not, why make that idiotic assumption...
Well not only that, the only way to do it is to account for every variation for every reporting country, it isn't feasible to bring them up to our standard since they don't record the data the same as us.

I wonder why the left is so desperate to believe the US has a high mortality rate compared to other countries, when the data shows no such thing?
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:37 PM
 
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The USA is also worse than most of the Western European countries when it comes to under 5 mortality rates.

We can disagree over how the statistics are calculated, but, fact is, you have a better chance of living longer in Switzerland than you do in the USA.

United Nations Statistics Division - Demographic and Social Statistics
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:39 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Well not only that, the only way to do it is to account for every variation for every reporting country, it isn't feasible to bring them up to our standard since they don't record the data the same as us.

I wonder why the left is so desperate to believe the US has a high mortality rate compared to other countries, when the data shows no such thing?
Actually the American Thinker provided the standard right wing analysis and at the end observed that we probably were not on the top even after correction. A little honesty on the right.

My assessment would be that the numbers are roughly comparable and if you think not you get to do the analysis to show what the answer should be. I believe these statistics have enough detail to be correctable if needed.

It does not happen because those who dislike the present statistics know the answer is not the one desired.
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