Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Liberals needs to realize that, financially, our public health care is located in 900 bases in 130 countries around the world. They won't own up to Obama's continuance of the American Empire, though, because he has a (D) next to his name and their pride will be hurt if they admit Obama is a neo-conservative.
Which plan do "R's" have that would demand that such global empires be not allowed?
Do you really want the Quacks to take over in a "free" health care market? They will because they will be cheaper then qualified doctors and they will dominate. The result will be countless shortened lives and greatly increased misery. Licensing doctors was one of the first and most important examples of consumer protection.
The biggest problem with “free marketers" is they apparently believe everyone in the market is honest and will not cheat the customer. I submit the low end used car market as an example of a “free market". We all know how well that works. We can now expect the used car market to be flooded with flood damaged cars.
Do you want to trust your heart surgery to a real expensive qualified heart surgeon or to a used car salesman with a golden spiel, part ownership in a mortuary and blackmailing the medical examiner?
Where are all these quacks you speak of? They must be everywhere since currently the government doesn't completely control our healthcare. Your argument is one of the most ludicrous I've ever read.
Most of these nations practice personal responsibility for their health in addition to having public health care. They eat healthy and walk everywhere. It's impossible to help those who cannot help themselves, and government money isn't going to solve the issue.
You cannot prove that public health care will lessen costs. It might be an accounting reality, but economically SOMEONE has to pay for it.
Yea, the fact that everyone has access to health care under these systems must not have any bearing at all on health results.
In the U.S., the worst health problems are with people who do not have access to affordable care. Why are these people making this choice? For the same reason I 'choose' not to own a Rolls Royce. Likewise, people who can’t afford essential medical care often fail to get it, and always have -- and sometimes they die as a result.
While you SAY, "You cannot prove that public health care will lessen costs," the facts speak for themselves:
Yea, the fact that everyone has access to health care under these systems must not have any bearing at all on health results.
In the U.S., the worst health problems are with people who do not have access to affordable care. Why are these people making this choice? For the same reason I 'choose' not to own a Rolls Royce.
While you SAY, "You cannot prove that public health care will lessen costs," the facts speak for themselves:
You didn't prove that public health care will lessen costs. That graph doesn't demonstrate a causal relationship between the two variables. Sorry. Costs won't be lessened in this country until people begin taking care of themselves.
Common sense dictates that it will cost more. When you insure 45 million more people of course it's gonna cost more unless of course you provide a horrific service which is most likely where we are headed and it will still cost more.
You didn't prove that public health care will lessen costs. That graph doesn't demonstrate a causal relationship between the two variables. Sorry. Costs won't be lessened in this country until people begin taking care of themselves.
You are grasping for straws. Every other country that has a universal system has lower costs than the U.S. Your explanation for this is, "it must be something else," instead of the obvious common attribute that they all have a universal system.
This just means that you are not open to persuasion through facts and evidence. You have made up your mind and are closed to anything contrary to what you have already concluded. There is use discussing this with a closed-mind.
No, it doesn't. Your post is what's called a strawman argument -- assert something absurd that you say the other side believes in. The only problem is that the assertion is false.
Instead, liberal views on health care revolve around basic facts. Every other modern industrial country has a universal system that covers all, at half the cost of our system with better overall results.
While you say that "80% or so of this country having some form of health coverage," that also includes seniors that have Medicare (psst, a gov't program) and Medicaid for the poor and S-Chips for children, which are all under attack by the right-wing.
The Census Bureau just released its latest estimates on income, poverty and health insurance. The overall picture was terrible: the weak economy continues to wreak havoc on American lives. One relatively bright spot, however, was health care for children: the percentage of children without health coverage was lower in 2010 than before the recession, largely thanks to the 2009 expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, or S-chip.
If one really, really wanted to improve health care, reduce costs and lower government expenses, you'd advocate a universal system based upon one of the better European models, instead of burying one's head in ideological dogma.
blah, blah, balh, you never made the case for why the solution is that federal government should take over our nation's health care. you have not made the case for why a federal takeover would be better then a private health care system.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
