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Old 10-15-2011, 02:33 PM
 
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No they were not liberals, they were democrats, but they were very anti left and left the democratic party because of the rise of the left.
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Kirkpatrick was long an active member of the Democratic Party. She and her husband both worked as supporters of Hubert Humphrey throughout his political career. She became frustrated with the liberal approach to public policies and with the Democratic Party during the Cold War and was alienated by the liberals' control of the party when George McGovern won the Democratic nomination for the presidency in 1972. She chose to become an organizer of the Coalition for a Democratic Majority--a group referred to as part of the neoconservative movement.
Jeane Kirkpatrick (http://www.northern.edu/Academics/Departments/International_Business/Conference/Keynote%20Dinner/Pages/JeaneKirkpatrick.aspx - broken link)

I told you were to look and you still didn't try... No doubt a product of Guilford College.
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Old 10-15-2011, 02:35 PM
 
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It seems like it's a movement of the past. I donmt see it getting any media attention. Oh well, it had its run.

if you want to see the tea party, all you have to do is look at the conservative side of the republican party. they have always been there, it is just that liberals and moderate republicans have always taken them for granted.
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Old 10-15-2011, 02:37 PM
 
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Doesn't matter what neocons try to define themselves in words. It's their actions that matter, and all they seem to want are 1) slavish obedience to Israel and 2) open borders and 3) corporate welfare.
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Old 10-15-2011, 02:37 PM
 
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Jeane Kirkpatrick (http://www.northern.edu/Academics/Departments/International_Business/Conference/Keynote%20Dinner/Pages/JeaneKirkpatrick.aspx - broken link)

I told you were to look and you still didn't try... No doubt a product of Guilford College.
Perhaps you should read your own article. She got disillusioned with the democrats in 1972 and backed Reagan in 1980.

She was a Reagan Democrat and Reagan Democrats are not liberal...I ask again do you even know what a liberal is? Here is a hint liberals don't go around endorsing and fawning over folks like Ronald Reagan.

From your article

"During the campaign Kirkpatrick endorsed Reagan for the presidency and won an appointment as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations with rank of cabinet member when Reagan assumed the presidency in 1981."

What's next are you going to say Strom Thurmond, and Jesse Helms are liberals because they were Democrats in the 1960s too.

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Old 10-15-2011, 02:40 PM
 
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if you want to see the tea party, all you have to do is look at the conservative side of the republican party. they have always been there, it is just that liberals and moderate republicans have always taken them for granted.
Early on it wasn't really radically right--people were upset with the government over lots of things, including waste, corruption, etc., and I think it attracted a broader group of people. It wasn't until Karl Rove and the Koch brothers took it over that the message got really tightly defined into slashing government and pro corporation, plus they started throwing in social issues to appeal to evangelicals vs. just a straight economic message, and that's when all the radical right wingers in the party jumped on board. I'm a moderate R, and I was sympathetic with some of the things they had to say very early on. Then it just got whacko...
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Old 10-15-2011, 02:45 PM
 
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Actually, one of the founders of the tea party just came out this week endorsing OWS--he said they have exactly the same type of concerns that the tea party did initially, before they were taken over by the corporate guys and used as a tool to win elections for them.

Tea Party founder backs Occupy Wall Street — RT

I agree with this, I don't agree with 0bama and his merry band of commie minions trying to Hi jack it...

I've read KD's blog since he started it, interesting post on Herman Cain today...

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=196022
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Old 10-15-2011, 02:49 PM
 
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Tea Party founder backs Occupy Wall Street — RT

I agree with this, I don't agree with 0bama and his merry band of commie minions trying to Hi jack it...
That's just it--both parties are to blame for mess we have with corporations controlling our elections, and both sides need to have major pressure put on them to make changes. The OWS people need to stand their ground and not let them take over. If they can get them to make changes--great--but the D's controlling the agenda would be as bad as the R's controlling the tea party.
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Old 10-15-2011, 03:13 PM
 
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Perhaps you should read your own article. She got disillusioned with the democrats in 1972 and backed Reagan in 1980.

She was a Reagan Democrat and Reagan Democrats are not liberal...I ask again do you even know what a liberal is? Here is a hint liberals don't go around endorsing and fawning over folks like Ronald Reagan.

From your article

"During the campaign Kirkpatrick endorsed Reagan for the presidency and won an appointment as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations with rank of cabinet member when Reagan assumed the presidency in 1981."

What's next are you going to say Strom Thurmond, and Jesse Helms are liberals because they were Democrats in the 1960s too.
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Old 10-15-2011, 03:40 PM
 
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The next election will be held in November 2010 for a few state offices. The next federal election will be held in Nov. 2012 and there will not be marshal law.

The Tea Party gets lots of notice on Fox news, which is what you seem to watch, but people have basically realized that it is just a new brand name for neocon ever since it was taken over by big money and the Paul people were expelled from the core of the Tea Party.

Tea Partiers support Herman Cain by a margin of 72-2 and Herman Cain is pretty much W minus the old money petigree. Cain wants expansive involvement in the middle east, he wants to further cut taxes on the wealthy, destroy environmental regulations, and double down on government support for wall street and bank bailouts. Once more like GWB anyone who has valid crticism of him he calls whiny. If he is elected it is only a matter of time before the Tea Party language about the tree of liberty and being skeptical of government is replaced with such familiar Bush era slogans as "love it, or leave it" and "criticizing the president is unpatriotic."

This Tea Party is basically Neo-Cons who realized that Neoconservative was a dirty word.
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Old 10-15-2011, 03:46 PM
 
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A neoconservative is someone associated with the neoconservative movement. It is a movement on the American right that developed with the view that the US should play an aggressive role in fighting communism, and even after the fall of communism the movement still embraces the idea that the US should play an active role in spreading democracy and capitalism around the world. They also accept a limited federal government role in promoting the public good, e.g. civil rights legislation and at the time support for bank bailouts.

They differ from paleo conservatives who favor military isolationism and a more pure free market role where the federal government is concerned. They believe role of the federal government is restricted to self defense and states rather then the federal government should be the ones to promote the public good.

With the exception of Ron Paul, Rick Perry and possibly Buddy Roemer all of the Republicans running lean towards the neoconservative slant as opposed to the paleoconservative slant with the biggest neo-cons being Romney, Huntsman and Cain.

The fact is many on the right try to lump liberalism and Neoconservatism togeather, but Liberalism believes the federal government should take a larger role in promoting the public good, and like paleocons liberals believe in a more isolationist foreign policy of comity and friendship to all ally, or enemy to none.
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