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Old 11-07-2011, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas View Post
Apsolutely correct. I have held Top Secret clearances in the Military and I still have one since I do work for the DOD. There is no time limit on sensitive data and it seems as if someone is going to get a whole lot of attention and not the sort they wanted. Stupid people do stupid things and it looks like he will have to pay for his actions, watch and see, Uncle Sam takes a very dim view when it comes to stuff like this.
Yep.

I had a just a Secret clearance for my MOS and I was bound by the same rule. Even though the equipment I worked on is now obsolete, I am still not allowed to talk about it, as far as I know. Our tech manuals were literally locked up at night. There was no bringing them home to study.

This Seal Team 6 "controversy" is just the latest in the long list of desperate measures that some on the right are embracing these days.

Yawn. Wake me up when the next "controversy" about Obama emerges. Probably only time for a cat-nap, with the way this crowd is behaving these days.
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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They are in the military; they aren't supposed to just do whatever they feel like doing...they follow orders.
Familiar with Stanley's Milgram's experiments on blind obedience to authority, as calipoppy obviously is?
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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There sure are a lot of "former seals" out there.
Probably 3 times as many as ever existed.
This is true, as I have found with "former submarine Captains." But the vast, vast majority of such boasts and wild claims are in bars, casual conversation, coffee shops, from the obviously mentally disturbed homeless, etc.

I doubt many newspaper stories are published without any verification of the numerous sources. And since I know from personal experience exactly how much military servicemen (particularly in the elite ranks) think of politicians, I don't see much to doubt here.

And it does NOT logically follow that when something you don't like is attributed in the media to a former Navy Seal--or a "former submarine Captain"--you can discount it as untrue.
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Confidentiality clauses are standing orders. They are not some order thrown out willy-nilly in the heat of battle. You folks who seem keen on claiming that these clauses can be challenged legally should probably provide a precedent. I doubt there is one. If we legitimize such challenges, we may as well just shut the military down and surrender to the first claimant.

I can't wrap my head around this: why do some on the right scream that Obama should have been more secretive while at the same time advocating for soldiers to disobey secrecy orders?

Could it be that they are randomly throwing out hunks of poo, hoping something might stick?
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:16 PM
 
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Familiar with Stanley's Milgram's experiments on blind obedience to authority, as calipoppy obviously is?
Oh for god's sake!

Trying to invent some morality play out of an improper communication of operational details to disobeying an immoral or unlawful order is pretty low shiite in my opinion, almost as low as impugning the honor and professionalism of a unit that lost 22 members who can no longer defend themselves from these allegations; I pray the author doesn't try and get under the Pentagon's statement that he never spoke to the team members by claiming that his source died in the crash.
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Playing dumb are ya?
No, perhaps you know the political leanings of the members of Seal Team 6. Perhaps you would be kind enough to share it with us.
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Raids are as easy as pie to accomplish. All that is needed is that the US media receive info from the CIA (and other 'security' agencies) and show it to the public.
Same goes for creating people.
O, yes, one more thing...label as unpatriotic those who ask questions.
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:17 PM
 
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You folks who seem keen on claiming that these clauses can be challenged legally should probably provide a precedent.
How about Bradley Manning
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities, MN
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How about Bradley Manning
Yeah! The righties probably want to set him free now!

ELL OH ELL
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:20 PM
 
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Raids are as easy as pie to accomplish. All that is needed is that the US media receive info from the CIA (and other 'security' agencies) and show it to the public.
Same goes for creating people.
O, yes, one more thing...label as unpatriotic those who ask questions.
I forgot my lucky decoder ring. Could you rewrite your post so that the rest of us might be able to understand it, after all it is a public discussion.
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