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I'm just wodering. Do you think it will reduce violence? Will it make us safer?
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What about Gun Laws? Strict for what???????????????? Explain
LOL - I had the same thought - but we can assume that the thread question is the title, and it is open-ended to encourage discussion.
I'll bite and say that stricter gun laws will just take away civil liberties and wouldn't positively impact the volume of gun-related crime in any area. I perceive that the laws just keep the guns out of the hands of "law-abiding citizens" - while the criminals use their typical channels to still obtain guns when they want them.
I've lived in states that were extremely restrictive (ie: New York) , and now I'm in a place that is not: Indiana (I'll just use these two examples even though I've lived in many more like them). To me it seems that there's no more crime in the city I live within now than there was in NY (both update & downstate vicinities) - all other items the same indeed I feel safer in Indiana and I'm sure the crooks are more uneasy knowing that when a crime is about to be committed with other people around that one of them might be "carrying concealed" or that the retail/establishment owner likely has a loaded weapon within reach. I also know I rest easier with what I have locked away in my own home in case of emergencies.
There's been a lot of school shootings over the past few years, but I sense that those kids involved had real mental issues and wouldn't have been prevented from acting out in some horrible way even if the gun laws had been more restrictive. Even though handguns and concealed carry is illegal in most of the US, hunting weapons are still legal pretty much everywhere you can hunt. You'd have to find a way to eliminate access to the hunting rifles & shotguns to make any gun-law really "strict"... but that has its own ethical problems.
The reality is that people will use anything at hand to defend themselves and to commit violence when they want or need to do either. Take away guns, and people will be using knives, clubs, brass-knuckles, bombs, mace, tazers, you name it, something else will fill the void. You cannot make it all illegal. Nor are any gun-laws going to completely eliminate accidents and suicides; it's just human nature to make mistakes, occasional poor judgement calls, and indeed when it comes to suicide people will use pretty much whatever is at hand there as well.
I think it's time to stop creating laws which hinder the rights of law-abiding citizens. ok... now I'm ready for the bashing
Forget about gun control in America. This isn’t the country to try that in. It will never work—ever.
It’s pure waste of effort anyway. Anyone watching this thread who has any machining experience or better yet machining and CAD/CAM experience, or any estimator for a manufacturer or fabricator, or anyone with part inspection experience, and many others, can reverse engineer any gun—ANY gun, and make them and sell them. There are no secrets to it, though I don’t intend to lay it all out. These folks know what I’m talking about.
There are many thousands of people in the populace who would dearly love to see major gun control in America, but not because they believe it will help reduce crime, but because it will open up the market for the rapid growth of an enormous cottage industry with outrageous profit margins. That cottage industry is very small now because guns have not been banned or tightly controlled.
IF there are any Democrats out there after 9-11 who still believe in gun control, they are in a miniscule minority. And Democrats better forget about gun control for good if they expect to have a place long-term as a political force. Believe or not, there are still millions of people who will vote for Republicans NO MATTER HOW BAD THEIR POLICIES ARE FOR AMERICA if they think there is even the slightest probability that Democrats will seek gun control measures should they attain office. Ridiculous but nonetheless true.
I’m voting Democrat for a long while it would appear. But I don’t count on the Republican Party to sit by and not clean up its act. Democrats, on a long-term basis, should not count on winning positions based on how bad the other Party is doing. The gun control issue has no place in America; it will never succeed without a police state. Fascists use that method and Communists use that method. It ain’t got no place here!
As a Marine Corps vet (not to mention former Boy Scout w/ both Rifle and Shotgun Merit Badges), I luv's my guns!!!!
That being said, I would like to see something to make them harder for criminals to get them, while still allowing law-abiding people like me to keep them for target practice as well as protection.
I think that the VAST majority of Americans would agree with that statement, but only a minority of either side's "activists" would. The main reason the activists would disagree is that they are worried that "once you give in a little", the other side will keep on going until it is 100% one way.
The reason that the issue is such a hot one is that the "Pro-Gun" side is fighting for rights and freedoms, and the "Anti-Gun" side is fighting for saving lives. Freedom and Rights or Lives is a tough call for anyone.
As a Marine Corps vet (not to mention former Boy Scout w/ both Rifle and Shotgun Merit Badges), I luv's my guns!!!!
That being said, I would like to see something to make them harder for criminals to get them, while still allowing law-abiding people like me to keep them for target practice as well as protection.
I think that the VAST majority of Americans would agree with that statement, but only a minority of either side's "activists" would. The main reason the activists would disagree is that they are worried that "once you give in a little", the other side will keep on going until it is 100% one way.
The reason that the issue is such a hot one is that the "Pro-Gun" side is fighting for rights and freedoms, and the "Anti-Gun" side is fighting for saving lives. Freedom and Rights or Lives is a tough call for anyone.
I'm like you, I love my guns. I think so many guns are out there illegally now and nobody is enforcing the existing laws. Case in point, the state passed a law that if you use a gun, you get an extra 5 years tacked on your sentence. But they let him/her go because they had a bad childhood or weren't afforded the upbringing like others and besides, he didn't actually shoot anybody.
Give him/her the extra 5 years and melt down his weapons.
I didn't do anything wrong, so don't melt mine down.
The reason that the issue is such a hot one is that the "Pro-Gun" side is fighting for rights and freedoms, and the "Anti-Gun" side is fighting for saving lives. Freedom and Rights or Lives is a tough call for anyone.
As usual, you get to this gist of the matter and your points are valid and well stated. However, my point is that gun control is not going to save lives. There will not be LESS guns available, there will simply be more expensive guns available until the cottage industry builds as any market will with more competition bringing prices down. The only way it can be stopped is with a police state. Again, I’m not going to lay out how it's done, but it’s not a difficult process and anybody can do it. Stopping such a cottage industry will be a war far larger than the “war on drugs” and much more expensive. It simply can’t be done.
The people who expect to save lives by gun control have their hearts in the right place but their minds in never-never land.
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Reason: punctuation, change wording
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Fugetabatit!
I Think that a sensible solution can be reached
