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Old 12-01-2011, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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This is why it's so hard to talk economics with liberals. It's not benevolence when you give someone a job, it's BUSINESS.

But when you've been raised on entitlements from the govt, I can understand how liberals think you just sit back and get stuff.
Actually, the CEO writer of this piece benefited greatly from entitlements.

The man went to City College in the early 1960s. At that time, City College was free due to the liberal social policies prevalent at the time that encouraged higher education for those who could not afford college. This entitlement was paid via the taxpayers and this seemed to work this CEO.

Now, when he himself is a billionaire benefiting from the hedge fund loophole that allows him to have the low low tax-rate of 15%, he's whining about having to pay more taxes -- that's the class warfare he's B... itching about.

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of course you should have passed it by. after all you are still unaware of who actually provides the jobs in the USA, but let me tell you this much, it sure as heck isnt the federal goverment that provides the jobs.
Really? Tell all the air traffic controllers; meat inspectors; FBI agents; customs officers; CIA agents; and DIA analysts that they don't have jobs.

The meme that only the jobs in the private sector 'count' denotes economic illiteracy. Regardless of the job, whether it a teacher, butcher, baker or candlestick maker, it's a real job contributing to the economy. Air traffic controllers; meat inspectors; FBI agents; customs officers; CIA agents; add value and are paid. They are part of the macro-economic picture.

Carrying the meme further, does the money that the air traffic controllers, et al, when they spend their pay, to buy food, cars and houses, not count either?
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Kinda kicked your butt, huh? Sorry if the truth hurts...
You are one of the 30 percenters who still think that corrupt b@stard is doing a good job... Soon, you will be one of the 20 percenters...!!
Wishful thinking at best, pssssst, your desperation is showing. Your candidates are a bunch of clowns and whichever one (Romney) gets out the clown car to take on Obama is going to get crushed with little effort. Enjoy the idea of PRESIDENT OBAMA until 2017, because that is what you are going to get.
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:23 AM
 
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A great example of right wing everyone hates Obama thinking
More examples of how people like YOU are the problem..

If we dont think just like you, we HATE..

Give it a break..
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:24 AM
 
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Obama said, "Middle-class families shouldn't pay higher taxes than millionaires and billionaires. That's pretty straightforward."
Whats pretty straightforward is NO ONE HAS CLAIMED OTHERWISE.. Why does obama need to keep saying this as if people are arguing with him?
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:33 AM
 
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Whats pretty straightforward is NO ONE HAS CLAIMED OTHERWISE.. Why does obama need to keep saying this as if people are arguing with him?
If you, and everyone else supposedly agrees with the President's assertion that the super-wealthy shouldn't pay less of a percentage than the middle class, then why all of the cries of class warfare? Why 9 pages of you saying that calls for fairness are divisive?
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:55 AM
 
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If you, and everyone else supposedly agrees with the President's assertion that the super-wealthy shouldn't pay less of a percentage than the middle class, then why all of the cries of class warfare? Why 9 pages of you saying that calls for fairness are divisive?
Because they DONT pay less of a percentage than the middle class. Thats the point the CEO is making, that Obama is LYING to the public, and dividing the nation over things that ARENT TRUE!!
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Old 12-01-2011, 12:05 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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More examples of how people like YOU are the problem..

If we dont think just like you, we HATE..

Give it a break..
No its definitely the right wing thats the problem. If not for the right this country and any other country that has allot of them(Iraq,Iran,Saudi Arabia,Syria etc.....)would be much better off.
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Old 12-01-2011, 12:08 PM
 
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What "divisive rhetoric" specifically?

Obama said, "Middle-class families shouldn't pay higher taxes than millionaires and billionaires. That's pretty straightforward."

[sarcasm]Oh my lord, how divisive.[/sarcasm]

Then, the Party that said that their goal is to make Obama a one-term President, as if that statement alone isn't divisive, whines about the statement being divisive.

Does GOP hypocrisy have any bounds?
No, their hypocrisy is as boundless as their stupidity....they think the boot on their neck is a soft caress of their only god, The Wealthy....the boot, however, is STILL on their neck.....and they lack the courage to try to shake it off.
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Old 12-01-2011, 12:08 PM
 
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No its definitely the right wing thats the problem. If not for the right this country and any other country that has allot of them(Iraq,Iran,Saudi Arabia,Syria etc.....)would be much better off.
Yeah, we could then turn the nation into Cuba, your utopia world, where everyone lives in poverty
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Old 12-01-2011, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Whats pretty straightforward is NO ONE HAS CLAIMED OTHERWISE.. Why does obama need to keep saying this as if people are arguing with him?
Look at the IRS data on returns for the 400 highest incomes in America (pdf) — specifically, Table 43. If you look at the numbers since 2004, you’ll see that in a typical year between 30 and 40 percent of those super-high-income players paid an average tax rate of less than 15 percent, others 20 percent or less.

Middle-class taxpayers pay pay income taxes in the 20's percent range plus pay payroll taxes of about 8 percent.

Obama is absolutely right.
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