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Old 12-06-2011, 01:12 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Yeah Canada's Socialism is so great, that's why canada has 24 Billionaires and the United States has like over 400 Billionaires.
I would trade 376 Billionaires for equality of opportunity any day. You don't think it's better to have 20% less poverty than 340% more billionaires? Shame on you.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Liberals are hypocrites because muslims hate gays? Ahh, what?
I will take it for granted that you are not up on the fact that liberals think they can work with Muslims to ease the rest of us out of government. When you support one part of Muslim teaching how do you avoid the rules of Sharia?
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I would trade 376 Billionaires for equality of opportunity any day. You don't think it's better to have 20% less poverty than 340% more billionaires? Shame on you.
Do you understand the difference in equality of opportunity and equality of condition? it doesn't appear that you do.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Government intruding? What part of "choice" do you understand? Government intrudes when it prevents an individual's choice. As for your continued rant on pro-choice being the same as pro-abortion, I take it then that you don't believe free speech applies if a person lies because, suggesting that the person has the right to free speech would make you a liar even if you disagree with the speech itself.

Really?


It is a consequence of conservative blood flow to conservatives' brains in such conservatives.
What do you not understand the government is endorsing murder and certainly is intruding on the rights of a person to live, Of course being pro free speech is being pro lies. Just listen to Obama
if you support free speech you certainly support the right of a person to lie, juts as if you are pro choice you are pro abortion.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Gone
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What do you not understand the government is endorsing murder and certainly is intruding on the rights of a person to live, Of course being pro free speech is being pro lies. Just listen to Obama
if you support free speech you certainly support the right of a person to lie, juts as if you are pro choice you are pro abortion.
YOU consider it Murder of a human, othes do not consider a FETUS as a HUMAN, hence not a murder.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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I would trade 376 Billionaires for equality of opportunity any day. You don't think it's better to have 20% less poverty than 340% more billionaires? Shame on you.
Your numbers a bit off the poverty rate in canda is 10.5 % the poverty rate her eis 15.8 % that would be a 5% difference as compared to what you said 20%
Poverty in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Poverty in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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What do you not understand the government is endorsing murder...
Government should be endorsing personal choice. Not telling a person what he/she can or cannot do.

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if you support free speech you certainly support the right of a person to lie, juts as if you are pro choice you are pro abortion.
Your logic would make you pro-lie.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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YOU consider it Murder of a human, othes do not consider a FETUS as a HUMAN, hence not a murder.
Others did not think Jews were human. that worked out well
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Do your homework and you will find out that the original formation of General Motors was very Canadian with MacLauglin motors of Oshawa On being one of the major partners.

The number of billionaires in a country is a really weird way to measure anything at all. I have a very rich uncle who was a VP of General Electric for many years. He says this about the USA. It's a great country to live if you are wealthy but it's a really bad place to be if you are poor." See, that's the biggest difference between here and there. For the most part Canada is not such a bad place to live if you are poor. It can be a bad place if you do not know how to take advantage of the social programmes that are available to you but that is another subject altogether.

I like to use this as an illustration. This is from 3 years ago and things have changed in this situation but this is the way it was.

I have two sons that live in Vancouver BC. The older boy and his wife are both medical DR.s and specialists to boot. The other son and his wife were both students, he was in law school and she was just obtaining her Chartered accountant designation.
Obviously the income difference between these two families was huge. Dr. son in the top 1% and lawyer student in the bottom 1%. Dispite this difference there was very little difference in the lifestyle these two lived. Dr. son had nicer stuff to be sure but lawyer student son lacked nothing at all. They both do the same things for leisure, Fishing, hiking and camping. The poorer one gets to go to more Canuks NHL games because he has a friend with a private box.
My whole point is that you can not look at income scales and equate that to quality of living when the state supplies everyone with basic services like healthcare.

PS, now that lawyer son and his wife have graduated they still live in the same rental and live the same way to my eyes. They have a new car though! They are probable saving money and paying off student loans.
I can tell from this post that you don't see the difference between equality of opportunity and equality of condition. Since your sons lived so much the same and one paid for his "things" and the poorer one had most of those things, supplied by the government you have explained the difference very well. Equality of condition is what is furthered in a social state when they provide all those goodies for their poor people. Here in the US we have a good deal of equality of opportunity where you can work yourself up the scale or not depending on what you want. I will take the equality of opportunity every time since I don't want hard workers to have to give me all those "things" that I can't afford.

Obama was talking about this very thing when he told the plumber that he wanted see some redistribution of wealth in this country. When you can take from the rich to give to the poor you are blowing up equality of opportunity and moving toward equality of condition. In other words, everybody should have the same "things" as everybody else. I think that those words appealed to way over half of our people who wanted to get what the others have.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Government should be endorsing personal choice. Not telling a person what he/she can or cannot do.


Your logic would make you pro-lie.
As if you support free speech your also pro lie
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