Top 10 Liberal Hypocrisies (Ron Paul, ethics, election, state)
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I can tell from this post that you don't see the difference between equality of opportunity and equality of condition. Since your sons lived so much the same and one paid for his "things" and the poorer one had most of those things, supplied by the government you have explained the difference very well. Equality of condition is what is furthered in a social state when they provide all those goodies for their poor people. Here in the US we have a good deal of equality of opportunity where you can work yourself up the scale or not depending on what you want. I will take the equality of opportunity every time since I don't want hard workers to have to give me all those "things" that I can't afford.
Obama was talking about this very thing when he told the plumber that he wanted see some redistribution of wealth in this country. When you can take from the rich to give to the poor you are blowing up equality of opportunity and moving toward equality of condition. In other words, everybody should have the same "things" as everybody else. I think that those words appealed to way over half of our people who wanted to get what the others have.
No, you are dead wrong, couldn't be wronger if you tried to. The one son and his wife who are Doctors make huge money, they are part of that 1% without a doubt. My other son who had basically a poverty level income is given as you call it, "Equality of opportunity" because the government through good social programmes makes it possible for him to go back to school at age 30 and change the direction of his life completely. The poor son never had any "Things" as you call them supplied by the government in the least. What the government has given to him is an opportunity to change his life if he chooses to take hold of that opportunity.
The fact that my Dr. son makes lots of money does not factor into the equality of living conditions at all. Although he makes big money he is so frugal he won't even buy a brand new car. The student son did though.
You bring up the topic of "Income redistribution". What is it about American conservatives that they fail to realize the income redistribution is probably the number one main responsibility of government in any democracy. I mean it's just soooo freakin basic. Without it what do you have????? You have a feudal system and even in that system there is a measure of it as the King has to pay someone in order to keep all the marbles for himself. Do you not understand that without it there would be no structure at all? No roads or transport systems other than private ones, No schools, hospitals and on and on and on. WITHOUT IT YOU HAVE CONSTANT REVOLUTION AND ZERO HUMAN RIGHTS. If you don't believe me then go live in Somalia for a while.
The measure of the worth of a government and the attending success of the nation is by how well and how smart the income redistribution is done. NOT IF IT IS DONE. Anyone who would dispute that FACT is as dumb as a bag of nails.
The realtions between all the stakeholders in a nation is like a kind of symbiosis. Everyone supports someone else in some manner or way. The poor can not exist without the wealthy and the wealthy can not exist without the poor. The middle feeds off both sides. When things get badly out of balance in this relationship then big trouble is usually not far behind. The working poor will stand only so much exploitation before they tear down everything the wealthy have invested their capital in building. The wealthy will only stand for diminishing returns to a point where they will take their money and go somewhere else. The middle, they get whacked from both sides and usually are the ones who pay the most in fixing the broken system.
It's just so completely obvious that right now the republicans, who I think are no better than political dinosaurs want the middle to take all the hits and the 1%, those who they really represent notwithstanding all their bellowing blunder will reap more and more and more.
It's a recipe for disaster and we see daily the once great nation swirling down the drain because of it.
How many American car compaines would exist right now had the far right had their way.
The car companies that could survive the normal bankruptcy process would still be here and be stronger than they are now because they wouldn't be answering to the Obama administration and making electric cars that don't sell.
No, you are dead wrong, couldn't be wronger if you tried to. The one son and his wife who are Doctors make huge money, they are part of that 1% without a doubt. My other son who had basically a poverty level income is given as you call it, "Equality of opportunity" because the government through good social programmes makes it possible for him to go back to school at age 30 and change the direction of his life completely. The poor son never had any "Things" as you call them supplied by the government in the least. What the government has given to him is an opportunity to change his life if he chooses to take hold of that opportunity.
The fact that my Dr. son makes lots of money does not factor into the equality of living conditions at all. Although he makes big money he is so frugal he won't even buy a brand new car. The student son did though.
You bring up the topic of "Income redistribution". What is it about American conservatives that they fail to realize the income redistribution is probably the number one main responsibility of government in any democracy. I mean it's just soooo freakin basic. Without it what do you have????? You have a feudal system and even in that system there is a measure of it as the King has to pay someone in order to keep all the marbles for himself. Do you not understand that without it there would be no structure at all? No roads or transport systems other than private ones, No schools, hospitals and on and on and on. WITHOUT IT YOU HAVE CONSTANT REVOLUTION AND ZERO HUMAN RIGHTS. If you don't believe me then go live in Somalia for a while.
The measure of the worth of a government and the attending success of the nation is by how well and how smart the income redistribution is done. NOT IF IT IS DONE. Anyone who would dispute that FACT is as dumb as a bag of nails.
The realtions between all the stakeholders in a nation is like a kind of symbiosis. Everyone supports someone else in some manner or way. The poor can not exist without the wealthy and the wealthy can not exist without the poor. The middle feeds off both sides. When things get badly out of balance in this relationship then big trouble is usually not far behind. The working poor will stand only so much exploitation before they tear down everything the wealthy have invested their capital in building. The wealthy will only stand for diminishing returns to a point where they will take their money and go somewhere else. The middle, they get whacked from both sides and usually are the ones who pay the most in fixing the broken system.
It's just so completely obvious that right now the republicans, who I think are no better than political dinosaurs want the middle to take all the hits and the 1%, those who they really represent notwithstanding all their bellowing blunder will reap more and more and more.
It's a recipe for disaster and we see daily the once great nation swirling down the drain because of it.
That a governments job is to redistribute income is ridiculous. Everyone pools their taxes to have a government do the things that an individual can not do, like provide for our national defense. Read the constitution. We do have a progressive tax system that spares the poor from a big tax burden, but no one says it has to be that way. It doesn't say that if someone fails the government has to give them money for an education to help them succeed.
That a governments job is to redistribute income is ridiculous. Everyone pools their taxes to have a government do the things that an individual can not do, like provide for our national defense. Read the constitution. We do have a progressive tax system that spares the poor from a big tax burden, but no one says it has to be that way. It doesn't say that if someone fails the government has to give them money for an education to help them succeed.
Taxaton by definition is "Wealth redistribution". Minumum wage is "Wealth distribution"
If you want the children of those who as you put it "Failed" to starve in the streets then you can have it my friend. I would perfer to live in a country were we collectively take care of those who for any reason can not do it for themselves. I don't want to give them the life of Rielly but I want them clothed, fed and sheltered. I also want them well educated so they break free of social assistence and become contributers to this great country we have here.
If I were an American I would be far more concerned about all of those"Corporate welfare bums" that have their hands out for the taxpayers money all of the time.
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I just saw this list and couldn't help getting help from liberals in debunking some or all of them. It may be very interesting seeing them attack the messenger, either me or the source without saying anything toward the debunking. Did I spell that favorite word of liberals right?
1. Women aren't breeding stock.
2. Walkman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
3. I can do this the hard way or the easy way. think I'll just take the easy way. Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We live in a place where we have the choice to not be Muslim and not hate people if we don't want to, just because of who they decide to have sex with. The author assumes that Muslims will "take over." Yeah, because that's what America does. We just take it lieing down. The authout doesn't seem to give the United States much credit. And that's fine. It's called freedom of speech. Liberals believe in live and let live. Is that promotion? No. Does this author believe we will let Sharia law take over the United States judicial system? Why yes, that is absurd. He said it....not me.
4. This is natural selection:
This is not:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/june2010/090610top.jpg (broken link)
5. This one is simply a lie. There are other religions that tolerate other religions. Buddhism comes to mind. So does Wicca.
Check this out. This is David killing Goliath.
From the Author:
Isn’t it ironic that Christianity is the only religion that tolerates others? Our Lord Jesus Christ taught us to love our enemies, not to kill them.
6.
Little House On The Prairie - School Mom - YouTube
Stupid liberal school system. I bet they didn't even pay taxes for that building or books or to pay the teacher. I bet they chipped into a fund to build that school and pay that teacher so their kids could be taught at a central location by someone with a higher education than them while the parents worked. So their kids could become atheists and liberals. Or something. Little House on the Prairie. Spreading liberal dctrine for years. It's SOCIALISM, MAN. SCHOOLS! BEWARE THE LIBERAL SOCIALIST SCHOOLS.
7. "99% of all hate is spewed from the Left."
This is coming from a web site with an article about 10 things wrong with ...liberals. Does that make them the 1%? Irony. Let me show you it.
8. I don't hate my wife. I don't hate Sarah Palin. I don't think my wife can be President. I don't think Sarah Palin can be, either. This obviously means I hate Sarah Palin. This makes zero sense.
9. Tiger Woods achieved the American dream. And he was bangin' a woman was was supermodel hot. And some skanks on the side. He was sure livin'g my dream. I would've left the skanks alone, though, I mean, COME ON MAN.
And I don't hate him for it. I kind of feel sorry he blew it actually. Does that make me conservative? No. But the guy who wrote that article might think so. Actually, I think he's just kind of ranting at this point.
COME ON TIGER? SERIOUSLY, YOU CHEAT ON THIS? WTF BRO.
10. I'm a sorta-liberal and I'm kind of Pro everybody. That's just the way I roll.
This is from the article:
The answer is simple: All liberal positions are ultimately Anti-God to the core.
This is also from the article: Our Lord Jesus Christ taught us to love our enemies, not to kill them.
Here are 10 things telling us why we should not like a certain group of people, with different viewpoints and opinons. While saying we should love our enemies. Jesus administered to lepers and prostitutes and the poor.
What do conservatives do to people who need healthcare, to prostitutes and the poor? I don't think they be feeln' the Jesus....that's for sure.
I don't see any name calling. Calm down. Obama is not my CHOICE for president as he is yours.
"We just cut $550 Billion from Medicare" -John Kerry
So if you use death panels to cut the $550B that's ok with you liberals(is that a bad name too?)
Did you even read the web page I linked to? You know, the one that actually explains where the $550 billion comes from? Let's see now, what would I rather believe - the actual facts about the plan, or a 14-second YouTube video?
Again, a direct quote from the article:
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the law attempts to curtail the rapid growth of future Medicare spending, not cut current funding.
It can't be stated any more clearly than that.
And really? Death panels? You're still believing that nonsense? And I'm the one being called delusional.
The car companies that could survive the normal bankruptcy process would still be here and be stronger than they are now because they wouldn't be answering to the Obama administration and making electric cars that don't sell.
Like the ones that were made in 1996? Was that Obama's fault also?
I just saw this list and couldn't help getting help from liberals in debunking some or all of them. It may be very interesting seeing them attack the messenger, either me or the source without saying anything toward the debunking. Did I spell that favorite word of liberals right?
I read the list, and have to say that I agree with just about every point. However, the part that is missing is a real whopper -- a similar list of conservative hypocrisies. Anyone who can think at the level of an adult understands that our nation's biggest political problem is the influence of political extremists, conservatives as well as liberals, and that these two nutcase mentalities are tearing the country apart. It seems like the internet is now becoming a little like AM radio, in that the right-wing crackpots are beginning to outnumber the left-wing crackpots.
I read the list, and have to say that I agree with just about every point. However, the part that is missing is a real whopper -- a similar list of conservative hypocrisies. Anyone who can think at the level of an adult understands that our nation's biggest political problem is the influence of political extremists, conservatives as well as liberals, and that these two nutcase mentalities are tearing the country apart. It seems like the internet is now becoming a little like AM radio, in that the right-wing crackpots are beginning to outnumber the left-wing crackpots.
Over a week ago when I posted this thread there was one that purportedly listed all the hypocrisies of conservatives. Maybe you could find that one if you looked.
You are so right about both parties being equally bad but some left leaner had taken care of the part you mention, or so I thought.
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