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Old 12-06-2011, 12:56 PM
 
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Wouldn't he have been impeached by now if this was true? Forget that, wouldn't it be international news?
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Old 12-06-2011, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Nothing. It is you who seems to be under that impression. You quoted the CRS.
Which explains in excuciating detail and with great scholarship that you personally have your head deeply in rectal defilade regarding what SCOTUS has ruled.

So again, what would lead you to such a wacky idea that it overrules SCOTUS when all it does is overrule you?
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Old 12-06-2011, 12:57 PM
 
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SCOTUS defined Constitutional NBC in establishing Minor's Constitutional citizenship.
It most certainly did not. Show me where and then explain how.
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Old 12-06-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Seems your tin foil hat is not big enough for your head.

No one can suspend elections. Not even the President of the United States.

Maybe you should read that document you like to try and protect but have no clue what it says: The US Constitution.
They just make it up as they go, they have been doing this since the day Obama started running for office the first time and have been making crap up ever since. After some point one has to simply laugh at them, those that spend their entire life listening to and reading right-wing propaganda lose all credibility when it comes to serious issues. Kinda sad actually.
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Old 12-06-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Do you really think there will be an election in 2016 if he even allows one to take place in 2012?
Of course there will. Only paranoid nut-burgers fear otherwise.
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Old 12-06-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Virginia Minor's citizenship was never a question before the court. It was conceded by both sides at all levels as the case wound its way through the judicial system.
If that were true, there would be no need for SCOTUS to establish this:
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"At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. The words "all children" are certainly as comprehensive, when used in this connection, as "all persons," and if females are included in the last they must be in the first. That they are included in the last is not denied. In fact the whole argument of the plaintiffs proceeds upon that idea."
Minor v. Happersett

Therefore, you are wrong.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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SCOTUS defined Constitutional NBC in establishing Minor's Constitutional citizenship.
No... it did not. In fact it explicitly refused to do so.

The CRS study points out that:

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Any analysis of the distinction between “holding†and dicta is simplified in Minor v. Happersett, as the Supreme Court expressly explained that “For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve†the issue of parental citizenship, thus clearly stating that its discussion was not part of, and the resolution of the issue not necessary to, the underlying holding or ruling of that case.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:01 PM
 
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If that were true, there would be no need for SCOTUS to establish this:Minor v. Happersett

Therefore, you are wrong.
Nope you're wrong:

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The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.
Conclusion from the case:

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Being unanimously of the opinion that the Constitution of the United States does not confer the right of suffrage upon any one, and that the constitutions and laws of the several States which commit that important trust to men alone are not necessarily void, we
Notice how the conclusion and that's all that matters mentions nothing about Natural born citizenship


this is nothing but IC's attempt to hijack another thread on birtherism, repeating the same debunked claims he posted in the other thread not too long ago.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:02 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Obama could be excluded from the 2012 ballot....


Supreme Court Rules Obama Ineligible!*|*Front Porch Politics (http://www.frontporchpolitics.com/2011/12/supreme-court-rules-obama-ineligible/ - broken link)
I see you realize the joke teapublicans cant win in straight up battle huh?
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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If that were true, there would be no need for SCOTUS to establish this:Minor v. Happersett
There was no need for SCOTUS to establish that. That's what orbiter dictum means.
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