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Old 12-09-2011, 03:31 PM
 
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Originally Posted by waterboy7375 View Post
Im a gun owner and would be more then happy to see them triple the penalties for
Ilegal posession of a gun
felon in posession
using a gun in the commission of a crime.
posession of a stolen gun
sale of a stolen gun.
Tripling the penalties won't help if they aren't charged in the first place.

In Maryland it is an automatic 5 year jail sentence to use a gun in the act of a crime.

Unfortunately it is the first thing plead bargained away.
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Old 12-09-2011, 03:33 PM
 
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But the bad gunman isn't exactly announcing his identity either. Some of these guys are calculating in their actions. A smart one would put his gun away for a minute, wander around like a student, and then all of sudden the good gunmen would be left wondering if the other good gunmen are 'good' or 'bad'. If the bad gunman were even smarter, he'd point at one of the good gunmen and say to another good gunman, "He's got a gun!!"

*bullets fly*

[confusing? it is - imagine the scene under pressure]
Do you have evidence of this happening, anywhere, ever?
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Fail.

An automatic weapon is a weapon that continues to fire rounds automatically with a single pull of the trigger. Pretty much any semi automatic firearm on the market today "reloads" itself. Hell you could even argue that a revolver reloads itself after every trigger pull. Automatic weapons are heavily regulated in the US, it's very difficult for an average American to own one and they're typically only found in the military.
If it continues to fire, it has to reload itself, kid. Fail.
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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If it continues to fire, it has to reload itself, kid. Fail.
You're saying that a revolver is an automatic?
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:32 PM
 
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My question is, since the person killed in the latest shooting at Virginia Tech was not only armed but was a police officer and not just any police officer but a firearms and self-defense instructor to boot, yet none of that kept him from being murdered by a nut with a gun.
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:35 PM
 
Location: SC
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With news today of shots fired on Virginia Tech campus I see a lot of discussion regarding guns on campus...IMO:

a person who is willing to murder or seriously harm another person probably does not care about laws and rules too much. In which case it is beneficial to allow law abiding citizens to have guns on campus in case of an event...such as today...

thoughts?
I agree. Even though I'm not a big gun person. At the rate our government is going down the tubes and people are forgetting that this is supposed to be a FREE country where the government serves the people and not the other way around, we better all take advantage of our right to protect ourselves ....lest we forget we have that right!
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Reality
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If it continues to fire, it has to reload itself, kid. Fail.
I'm not a kid and I'm clearly better educated than you are when it comes to firearms.

Just because a gun "reloads itself" it isn't by default an automatic weapon. I own a few semi-automatic hang guns which by definition reload themselves but it's still one bullet, one trigger pull.

Automatic and semi-automatic are terms which is 100% determined by whether a gun will fire one bullet or multiple bullets with a single trigger pull. It has nothing to do with whether the gun reloads itself.
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:37 PM
 
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I don't have a problem with people in general owning or carrying gun. I don't feel safe with certain people carrying guns.
This "certain" people will carry a gun or will able to get one regardless what the law said. So what's your point?

You thing this "Gun Free Zone" will stop these people.

People abide to laws will not hurt another person regardless if it is a law to make it a crime to hurt another person.

People who thing they are above the law will not follow the law regardless what it said.
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:47 PM
 
Location: In a house
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If everyone pulls out a gun at the first sound of gunfire, how do all of the good gunmen figure out who is the bad gunman?

[wondering]

I doubt that the people on the scene will have trouble. The trouble you mention assumes that a bad guy would try it in the first place & live long enough for the police to arive & be confused. In the real world he probably wouldn't even try it in a place with armed people & if he did he could be stopped before a 911 call was completed. Then the police could pick up the pieces just like they do now, only there wouldn't likely be 30 dead innocents.
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:49 PM
 
Location: In a house
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But the bad gunman isn't exactly announcing his identity either. Some of these guys are calculating in their actions. A smart one would put his gun away for a minute, wander around like a student, and then all of sudden the good gunmen would be left wondering if the other good gunmen are 'good' or 'bad'. If the bad gunman were even smarter, he'd point at one of the good gunmen and say to another good gunman, "He's got a gun!!"

*bullets fly*

[confusing? it is - imagine the scene under pressure]

You can imagine any scenerio imaginable. The bottom line is everyone is better off if someone can even maybe stop a madman. A confused episode resulting in a dead madman is much better than an orderly massacre.
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