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Old 12-19-2011, 12:26 PM
 
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Those nukes have a purpose if you know your history. Korea has a long history of being subjugated and subdivided by various nearby invaders through the centuries - Mongols, Han, Japanese, Russians and what not. There is no way they can form a conventional army to fight off potential invaders so the nukes act as a logical deterrent. They should be commended for that.
Actually, given the proximity of Seoul to the DMZ and range of conventional artillery....NK already had a nuke-level deterrent.

Their nuke program actually contributed to their international woes and starvation etc.

The result of this and the dire situation they have been under for a decade or more actually exposed them to a potential coup as well as potential Chinese interference.

While I *generally* agree with the whole nuclear deterrant angle....I think NK played it badly.
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Old 12-19-2011, 12:29 PM
 
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It's easy to judge Kim Yung Il and Korea by western standards, and make fun of the mourners. But how do we know he didn't create the perfect utopia.
Um, the thousands and thousands of reports from refugees that snuck into China and even admittance of their own government about the famine?
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Old 12-19-2011, 12:31 PM
 
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His son will take the wheel, just a younger version of dad.
Nah, he is a lot more on the ball than his dad. There is a VERY good reason they chose him instead of his older brother.

I think he will be more calculating and *stable* than his father was.
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Old 12-19-2011, 12:33 PM
 
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Nah, he is a lot more on the ball than his dad. There is a VERY good reason they chose him instead of his older brother.

I think he will be more calculating and *stable* than his father was.
Isn't his older brother pretty much mentally retarded? Being picked over Peter Griffin isn't much of a recommendation.
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Old 12-19-2011, 12:46 PM
 
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This is a big blow to the French premium Gognac producers.
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Old 12-19-2011, 01:30 PM
 
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Actually, given the proximity of Seoul to the DMZ and range of conventional artillery....NK already had a nuke-level deterrent.

Their nuke program actually contributed to their international woes and starvation etc.

The result of this and the dire situation they have been under for a decade or more actually exposed them to a potential coup as well as potential Chinese interference.

While I *generally* agree with the whole nuclear deterrant angle....I think NK played it badly.
They don't see the south as their only (or biggest) enemy, at least not in the military sense. Russia and China have far larger and better armed forces and pose as bigger threats over the long term - these countries have invaded them before. There is also Japan, with whom the Koreans on both sides of the DMZ still view with distrust. China will always interfere within its periphery. That's a given.

Cases of starvation are the price it must pay to maintain a strong armed forces and nuclear program, and safeguard its independence. Look at the south, they need U.S. bases to protect them.
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Old 12-19-2011, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Does the Onion have scientific charts that explain what happened to the modern Republican Party like the one below?
Interesting chart. Where would the Tea Party be placed? I see "teabaggers" but no Tea Party.
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Old 12-19-2011, 02:57 PM
 
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They don't see the south as their only (or biggest) enemy, at least not in the military sense. Russia and China have far larger and better armed forces and pose as bigger threats over the long term - these countries have invaded them before. There is also Japan, with whom the Koreans on both sides of the DMZ still view with distrust. China will always interfere within its periphery. That's a given.

Cases of starvation are the price it must pay to maintain a strong armed forces and nuclear program, and safeguard its independence. Look at the south, they need U.S. bases to protect them.
Wow. Your ignorance on the Korean subject, especially North Korea, is simply baffling in todays world where there is so much information available.
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Old 12-19-2011, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Here
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I haven't read anything about his death other than the headlines of his demise. So I'm going to assume that Jong died while walking off the 18th green of a golf course after scoring a course record 58.
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Old 12-19-2011, 03:16 PM
 
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Wow. Your ignorance on the Korean subject, especially North Korea, is simply baffling in todays world where there is so much information available.
Where is your knowledge of history and geography? Can't you contribute anything to the discussion aside from a bunch of hee-haw comments?
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