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Old 01-18-2012, 09:43 AM
 
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Dense? No, just inconvenient to cause the indigestion you clearly suffer with. Heck, even the guy who talked about the invisible hand, wasn't averse to regulations. But then, he was talking about capitalism, not free market (a free market must be devoid of regulations, no?).

And you, as expected, talked from both ends... that it hasn't existed and that it does. Which is it? Too "dense" of a subject for you, perhaps?
You're talking about theoretical market anarchy, where there are no rules, regulations or laws. Why didn't you just say you were speaking fiction from the get go?
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:44 AM
 
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Green living like electric cars? We have much, much less raw materials to make lithium batteries then we have sources for fossil fuel. We will use up the planet's supply of lithium centuries before we run out of sources of fossil fuels.
That doesn't matter to the green folks. We just recently re opened the only mine for rare earth elements in the US that was shut down prior by the EPA. I think they have on in Missouri they're trying to get going too. China is hoarding all their good stuff. Of course there is afghan the green folks can look to if they want to aquire this stuff to keep the green dream alive. War for green energy is not beyond them I doubt as long as its done for their cause.
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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There has been no market in petroleum since Standard Oil. The "invisible hand" is the one in your pants making you feel good while ripping you off. These businessmen are far too smart to let a market threaten their profits.
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:45 AM
 
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Green living like electric cars? We have much, much less raw materials to make lithium batteries then we have sources for fossil fuel. We will use up the planet's supply of lithium centuries before we run out of sources of fossil fuels.
Until we stop living in denial and start funding research, we cannot really know the answers to our energy problems. What we do know is that the supply of fossil fuels is finite. Our days of fuel inefficiencies are long over. It's time to start reducing our fuel consumption in ways we CAN achieve: public transportation, shorter commutes, and living within our resource means.
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You're talking about theoretical market anarchy, where there are no rules, regulations or laws. Why didn't you just say you were speaking fiction from the get go?
Yep. That would be free market. There can be no such thing as "regulated" free market. It is appropriately called "regulated markets" as prescribed in "Capitalism", and for a reason.

Do you understand why rules and regulations are necessary?
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:54 AM
 
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Until we stop living in denial and start funding research, we cannot really know the answers to our energy problems. What we do know is that the supply of fossil fuels is finite. Our days of fuel inefficiencies are long over. It's time to start reducing our fuel consumption in ways we CAN achieve: public transportation, shorter commutes, and living within our resource means.
Obama has sent plenty of funding and it's all ended up in the toilet. Exxon is researching algae which I think is the way to go. When something is viable the private sector will kick into gear. Wasting taxpayer money on this stuff is not the way to go. We are too far in the hole. We got plenty of oil. Not like it's gonna run out tomorrow and if it does we got plenty of coal.
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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When something is viable the private sector will kick into gear.
Viability in corporate world is about profits. Do you seriously believe that CEOs today are ignoring their present day profitability in favor of the company's long term welfare?
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:57 AM
 
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That doesn't matter to the green folks. We just recently re opened the only mine for rare earth elements in the US that was shut down prior by the EPA. I think they have on in Missouri they're trying to get going too. China is hoarding all their good stuff. Of course there is afghan the green folks can look to if they want to aquire this stuff to keep the green dream alive. War for green energy is not beyond them I doubt as long as its done for their cause.
Yes, I heard about the possible large amounts of lithium in Afghanistan, looks promising, but who can predict what the future will hold for that country's relationship with the world.
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:59 AM
 
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There has been no market in petroleum since Standard Oil. The "invisible hand" is the one in your pants making you feel good while ripping you off. These businessmen are far too smart to let a market threaten their profits.
The government is in their way, and ours, they are putting fourth their best efforts to keep their boot on the invisible hand.
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Old 01-18-2012, 10:01 AM
 
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Yep. That would be free market. There can be no such thing as "regulated" free market. It is appropriately called "regulated markets" as prescribed in "Capitalism", and for a reason.

Do you understand why rules and regulations are necessary?
Quit trying to school me, your games to stroke your ego have gotten old already.
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