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It's amazing to me that you would consider lowering our standard of living a worthy goal.
Yeah, because standard of living is measured by how much we waste. I'd contend that using viewer natural resources and polluting the air and water less are a plus for standard of living.
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Reuters) - The United States has over 100 years worth of natural gas supplies, and forecasters have consistently low-balled the amount of the clean-burning fuel trapped in unconventional places like shale rock, an industry group said on Wednesday.
That's 100 years at today's consumption. Add millions of cars and don't you think the calculation would change?
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How about the gasoline taxes they are already getting. (presumed ?)
You mean that whopping 18.4 cents per gallon? That goes mainly to maintain interstate roads. If you notice, most interstates have no tolls.
I think it's amazing that anyone would continue to decimate the environment just to maintain that standard of living.
A sound environmental policy is important and we have accomplished some very good things over the last few decades but there is a limit to what is practical. We can't eliminate all pollution, that's just a fact you will have to face.
As the costs escalate for ever increasing regulations the amount of benefits we get decrease. You may spend $1 to remove the first 20 percent but spend $2 to remove the next 20 percent. There is a breaking point where the costs far outweigh the benefits.
You mean that whopping 18.4 cents per gallon? That goes mainly to maintain interstate roads. If you notice, most interstates have no tolls.
Average is almost 50 cents per gallon when state taxes are added. As I said I would support increased taxes on gasoline providing every penny went to roads and bridges. The bait and switch where gasoline taxes go to fund other things like mass transit is unacceptable.
Yep they spend it on other things then turn around and scream how the infrastructure is falling apart and we have to do something about it when they're the ones robbing the fund to fix it to begin with. Classic DC game they play all the time. Those shovel ready jobs were supposed to save all the roads too. Wonder what happened to that trillion?
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As the costs escalate for ever increasing regulations the amount of benefits we get decrease. You may spend $1 to remove the first 20 percent but spend $2 to remove the next 20 percent. There is a breaking point where the costs far outweigh the benefits.[/QUOTE]Depends upon the regulation. Regulations that mandate fuel economy have saved consumers money while improving the environment and reducing the foreign trade deficit.
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Average is almost 50 cents per gallon when state taxes are added. As I said I would support increased taxes on gasoline providing every penny went to roads and bridges. The bait and switch where gasoline taxes go to fund other things like mass transit is unacceptable.
You are mixing up federal gasoline taxes and state gasoline taxes. the federal government has no control over state gasoline taxes but it only receives 18.4 cents/gal.
Gradually raising federal gas taxes will result in economic incentives that will allow alternatives to be more viable.
Mr. Pickens abandoned the idea because he couldn't get taxpayer money to pay for all his transmission lines across the state to get the energy to the cities. He went on to try and steal the water from the ogallalla aquifier and get that to Houston not sure where that has gone. Then he switches to the nat gas and fracking game but havn't heard much howling from him since the cries about groundwater contamination came out. Hell probably end up back in the oil after he's run around sucking every taxpayer penny he can following around the green weenie agenda laughing the whole time.
He is a plague on the face of the Earth.
Punching Pickens...
Mircea
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For example coal to liquid fuel tech could easily compete with conventional oil right now. Investment is risky because of the volatile conventional oil market. If the government were to guarantee them somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 a barrel then the investment is no longer risky.
This would lower the cost of conventional oil and secure a domestic resource.
Look, dude, this isn't rocket science.
You need oil for the Extravagant American Life-Styleâ„¢, not fuel.
Build 50 TRILLION wind turbines, and you still will have no choice but to import foreign light sweet (low sulfur) crude oil.
You want to make oil from coal? Go ahead, but that is synthetic oil and you cannot refine it to produce the petro-chemicals you need for the Extravagant American Life-Styleâ„¢.
There is one and only way to 100% eliminate your dependence on foreign oil, and that is to surrender the Extravagant American Life-Styleâ„¢ and adopt a life-style comparable to that of the late 1960s or early 1970s.
Liberals think their policies are carried out in the abstract. They fully believe that regulations passed in Washington DC do not trickle down the little man.....that regulations are policy in name only.......that a political win having an effect on the lives of American's is merely heresay.
How else do you explain the reason for comments such as "energy is too cheap in this country" (as stated above) if they truly understood the ramifications of such comments?
I think it's amazing that anyone would continue to decimate the environment just to maintain that standard of living.
IT IS amazing anyone would want to put false enviromentalism over anyone's standard of living, but this moron in the Whitehouse and his idiot cronies do.
EVER HEAR OF A OIL BILLIONARE NAME MAURICE STRONG? He is the enviromentalist idiots go to guy in the UN. But what they are too silly to understand is he is
1) an oil billionare,
2) Is using the environment as a weapon against all free people and countries in an effort tohelp the UN take control of all countries indutrial rules, regulations, and void useless any Constitutions that promise people freedom.
Thru ENVIROMENTAL regulations and the foolish dumb enough to fall for it, he and those like him have destroyed tens of millions of American jobs alone!!! This is proven in Job stats and those that have been eliminated due to epa regulations. (The epa regulations by the way are completely UnConstitutional!! )
Now look at these supposed "replacement green" jobs; They pay less, which lower our standard of living by reduced incomes, put unreasonable and unConstitutional restrictions on our right to travel, ( smog testing approval of vehicles to get an unConstuiitutional license on cars/trucks),
Lower mpg from those vehicles because of the emissions control devices on them, (which if better mpg was at all a goal of the epa, they would realize they are shooting that in the foot).
Mass transit doesn't work here or anywhere else in the world, plus these "green" policies always have to have taxpayer money to be in place and survive. Which drives up the cost of living, is it any wonder we have went from #1 standard of living in the world to 18th or worst with the e.p.a. and the enviromentalist stupid ideas?
Yeah, because standard of living is measured by how much we waste. I'd contend that using viewer natural resources and polluting the air and water less are a plus for standard of living.
That's 100 years at today's consumption. Add millions of cars and don't you think the calculation would change?
You mean that whopping 18.4 cents per gallon? That goes mainly to maintain interstate roads. If you notice, most interstates have no tolls.
So what about coalman's stats on taxes. Get your facts stright befor you go peddling these false premises of higher taxes =shangralala Go Newt!
Especially for people that are underemployed, unemployed, or just poor. Raising gas prices on them is a great way to kick them while they're down.
Do you really think these people give a damn about how a price increase will affect anyone. They don't pay for a damn thing. They're like parasites, they live off you.
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