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chielgirl, It means tax deductions should be reserved for those putting money away for their kids future. The breed and you get the deduction should end. Tie it to 529 or the like contributions, so they do not dump assistance for tuition amongst society. It is their obligation.
And yes, if they cannot afford the basics, they should not be breeding. Its unrecognized child abuse.
I'll take it a step further: all females who have reached menarche are required to have the norplant if they're receiving pubic assistance of any kind, that would be unemployment or welfare. If you can't take care of yourself, you can't take care of another.
Actually, what i would prefer to see is for the IRS to not allow exemptions for children under the age of 18 unless, at minimum, several percent (5 sounds good) of their parents net income is set aside into a 529 plan for them each year. It might be wise to have a PENALTY imposed on parents who fail this test.
Even if they elect not to attend college, at least, the parents are thinking about the future years of the kids lives, and not just today.
KUChief"Ah yes have the government force folks to set aside another fund of money they can steal from. Egggselent idea"
No force involved at all. They just lose their precious tax incentives for failure to take care of what they bred. Calling those who fail to set aside funds a parent is a title they do NOT deserve. They bred.
This assumes all people need a college education. I don't subscribe to that idea. I think all monies put aside after taxes for a minor child (like a trust) should have some kind of incentive or tax free earnings on dividends earned. Let the kid decide what to do with it. Coincidentally, parents who open these accounts are likely teaching their kids how NOT to blow their money so they can be a productive member of society.
Money and mommy dont guarentee kids are raised properly.
If you can earn legally money enough to support your kids, then you will be IMO more likely to raise them right.
The ones who refuse to work rather than lose their welfare, stamps and benefits are the ones IMO growing children that will likely not graduate and will be involved more often in stupid stuff.
andrea, It assumes they need more than HIGH SCHOOL. It may be technical, but a good auto diesel school or an Art Institute is a 5 figure investment. HS being enough is great, if you live in China. In America, the parent that says "I'm done" afer grade 12 is leading them into poverty.
This assumes all people need a college education. I don't subscribe to that idea. I think all monies put aside after taxes for a minor child (like a trust) should have some kind of incentive or tax free earnings on dividends earned. Let the kid decide what to do with it. Coincidentally, parents who open these accounts are likely teaching their kids how NOT to blow their money so they can be a productive member of society.
Big assumption there. Have seen many moneyed parents with kids that are pieces of crap.
What does this mean?
Are you saying that you want to penalize people who chose not to breed?
Why are you special because you want to have kids?
You're not, they're your, not my, responsibility.
Cut all subsidies and tax breaks for business and people.
I'll take it a step further: all females who have reached menarche are required to have the norplant if they're receiving pubic assistance of any kind, that would be unemployment or welfare. If you can't take care of yourself, you can't take care of another.
I do agree with you that people on welfare and unemployment shouldn't be having children, but forcing women to take birth control is taking it a little too far. I was on unemployment and the last thing I thought about was having children. Yes, I am 31 although I still look and feel like I am in my early twenties, but I want to at least have a decent job and a husband with a decent job before I have children. If I get too old before that happens, then I won't have any kids or adoption might be a possibility. Not everyone on unemployment is stupid enough to have sex without protection.
I think all child subsidies should be ended. I actually see some people having five and six kids for the subsidies and government bennies. How stupid is that? This needs to stop. I think everyone on government assistance should have to go through a sex education class. I mean if you need Medicaid, food stamps, section 8, WIC to feed a child then you shouldn't be having them. I would make exceptions for parents who become disabled through illness or injury and become unable to work.
People sending their kids to free K-12 education (public schools): average cost of a K-12 year in the US - paid for with TAXES is $9,800 per child. Two kids is almsot $20,000 a year. There are some counties in states where the per child TAX cost is in excess of $15,000 per child per year.
Twelve years equals $120,000 per child.
One of the many reasons why education should be privatized. The amount of money that is forceably taken from us in the form of sales taxes, property taxes, and federal taxes to pay for the failure known as the public school system is outrageous. On top of all that, the bleeding hearts still complain about not enough money going for public education ... and in every election when there is an initiative that calls for more funding, it usually passes.
Parents often use the public school system as free daycare for their rugrats. They don't think anything about where the money is coming from to pay for this form of free babysitting ... just as long as they get a free ride, let everybody else subsidize their little darlings.
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Then there is the myriad of child tax deductions and tax credits that redistribute money (once again TAXES) to people that cannot afford to pay for their kids. There is even a tax CREDIT (not a deduction) for day care now. WTF? If you had the kid (and the orgasm that preceeded it) then at least be able to pay to have someone watch it.
Bravo! My thoughts exactly, and I commend you for posting this. All these tax credits & deductions are really nothing more than free government money given to the sperm donors & egg suppliers courtesy of the rest of us. It really is no different than collecting welfare.
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Kids on Medicaid because mommy and daddy won't get medical insurance for them. It's weird. Two people get together and know enough about how to f*ck to make kids and then can't pay for them.
Probably because the act of sex is so pleasurable that it cuts off common sense & logic to the brain. The problem is when they don't use proper protection, and end up with a sometimes unwanted kid. But there again, as long as somebody else is flipping the bill for their stupidity ...!
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Grow up and pay for your kids folks. Having children in the US for at least 90% of people is nothing more than a declaration that you are a socialist. It doesn't matter how you vote. If you have kids and you have used public schools, child tax deductions and credits then watched your little xeorox copies "grow up" and hold their hands out for pell grants and financial aid then you are a socialist and a parasite by default. Grow up and pay for your kids.
Stop requiring everyone else to pay for them and doing it in such a cowardly way, by sitting back and watching (probably laughing) while a third party (the government) that has an exclusive monopoly on the use of force through coercive taxation extracts the money needed to raise your kids - from other people.
You are all parasites that are so narcissistically selfish that you think the rest of society should pay for the fact that you wanted to make xerox copies of yourself. Grow up and pay for your kids.
And one more thing. Grow up and pay for your kids.
Excellent, excellent, excellent post! You are absolutely correct that those who support the idea of tax credits, free government aid, public schools, etc. are nothing but socialists. That includes all the phony "family values" conservatives who use these free services ... they are purely socialist as well! That makes them closet liberals/left wingers. No way of getting around it or dancing around the issue!
All these tax credits & deductions are really nothing more than free government money given to the sperm donors & egg suppliers courtesy of the rest of us. It really is no different than collecting welfare.
No way of getting around it or dancing around the issue!
Tru dat. Anyone that has kids, uses 12 years of tax funded public schooling, 18 years of child tax deductions and credits IS a socialist by definition. You breeders that do that can sit back and "think" that you are republicans or conservative, or believe in the "free market", etc etc.
But you are all lying to yourselves and are frauds.
And the worst of all are those that are driving their little family around in $40 - 50,000 SUVs, in 3k square foot houses, taking family vacations while funding their 401ks and IRAs, etc - When the reality of it is, with just two or even one kid, the actual cost of putting them in school from K-12 and not getting free money off the backs of taxpayers through all your "child" tax deductions and credits, you wouldn't be able to do all that. You can ignore reality but that doesn't make it right. Your desire to breed and have little xerox copies of yourself is funded almost entirely by tax dollars.
You are all on welfare. That is what free schools for your kids for 12 years is and the deductions and credits are welfare too.
Welfare recipients that sit back and think they are actually productive members of society. You feed off of public taxes and there is no way to deny the basic math skills it takes to figure that out. Parasites.
Its all a part of social-stratification with narcissistic socio-political motivations. Take the family values political party that is so against "welfare" and "entitlement programs" and being taxed to pay for other people. Ok, lets assume a family like that has a husband that works, a couple of nice new cars in the driveway of their $400,000 house and the wife stays home all day as a "homemaker" and they go on nice vacations every year and have money saved in the bank. - -
Now, take away the FREE public schooling for their two kids which is over $20,000 a year in tax dollars and take away the child tax credits and deductions, etc Then that same family is in a two bedroom apartment with one car that is a few years old and daddy has to pay his kids tuition for school every month, while mommy the homemaker is out working a job to make ends meet and they are not getting the child tax deductions and credits and other crap with their tax "return". Republicans and the middle class use welfare too, and it is everything that I listed previously and on an average year with a husband that makes even $80k a year with two kids and a wife that doesn't work, it totals to be more than just a person on welfare gets monthly in terms of actual dollars TRANSFERRED directly through taxes. Wake up people.
And my figures on the annual cost of a kid in a public school listed previously are conservative numbers that are very low. Some counties in US states have expenditures above $15,000 a year in TAX dollars per child in different areas based on geography and the tax base which is property taxes, state sales and income tax and federal dollars redirected back to states for K-12 education. And don't sit here and claim that you pay your property taxes on your house. Everyone does if they own a house. But your property tax bill is not based on the amount of children you have in public school. If you have two kids in public school, you don't pay the $3,000 in property taxes assesed based on the value of your home, but instead you should get a bill from the county for over $20,000 for the cost of educating YOUR children. Their education is a service you are using and should be paid for by you. The fact that you get it for free and that free service enables you to spend that same amount of money on other things is wrong. Its welfare, pure and simple and it's the worst kind.
And one more thing. Grow up and pay for your kids.
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