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Old 02-01-2012, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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This has been discredited in post #3, yet this thread lives on, proving that zombie lies never die.
Yes thousands of first-hand eye-witness accounts, and yet it is all dismissed because of snopes.

All hail snopes.
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:26 AM
 
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Hmmm...
And you just happened to have that picture right at hand.
Interesting.
Uhhh no, I used that extremely sophisticated and highly complex tool called Google and when the search results were returned I clicked on Images on the left of the screen.

Try it (I'll keep it simple for you)

1. Go to the Google search page
2. In the search field type in "barbarella" (without the quotes)
3. Press the Return or Enter key on your keyboard
4. When the search results page is returned click on Images (located on the left side of the search results page)
5. Scroll down

Numerous pictures of the p0rn star are displayed
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I know this has been beaten like the dead dog she is, but when I hear Hanoi Jane is to be honored by the president as one of the Top 100 Greatest Women of teh Century, my blood boils...

I just have to share --- rant ---cry!!


Shared by a friend---

Many do not know this truth... and also because she was on TV 3 times this week talking about her new book... and how good she feels in her 70's... she still does not know what she did wrong.. her book just may not make the best list if more people knew...
Barbara Walters said: Thank ...you all. Many died in Vietnam for our freedoms. I did not like Jane Fonda then and I don't like her now. She can lead her present life the way she wants and perhaps SHE can forget the past, but we DO NOT have to stand by without comment and see her "honored" as a "Woman of the Century." (I remember this well) For those who served and/or died. . . NEVER FORGIVE A TRAITOR. SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!! and now President OBAMA wants to honor her......!!!!
In Memory of LT. C.Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton [Famous North Vietnam Prison] IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!! A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED. KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA This is for all the kids born in the 70's and after who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.
Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.' BARBRA WALTERS WRITES: Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during the Vietnam War. The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.
The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the ' Hanoi Hilton.' Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant 's feet, which sent that officer berserk.
In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the ' Hanoi Hilton'...the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation' visit. They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand.
When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?' Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat.. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper...
Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day. I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi . My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Banme Thuot , South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs)
We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals....' When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received... and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.' Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weight placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane. I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.
These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget....' 100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can..
It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget. RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343 PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER STATUS WILL CHANGE.

How many years will this bogus email continue to be circulated?

snopes.com: Jane Fonda and POWs

Scroll down to the second half of the page. the part where it relates this "presidential event" occurring in 1999 with Barbara Walters.



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Old 02-01-2012, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I have a friend who was on the USS C. Turner Joy and he says it was not a manufactured incident.
It was manufactured. There was no attack by Vietnamese torpedo boats. In 1965, President Johnson commented privately, "For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there." Despite the Navy's claim that the two attacking torpedo boats had been sunk, there was no wreckage, bodies of dead sailors, or other physical evidence present. It was complete fiction.
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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We took an ass kicking because they were better, more disciplined, and had a better cause.
Suggest checking history rather than parroting Marxist propaganda. US military forces NEVER lost a major battle to the communists, neither VC or NVA. We inflicted casualties on the enemy at several multiples of those we took. We did not lose, we withdrew because of lack of political will and because we were forced to fight under severe restraint and were never allowed to use more than a fraction of our assets. There have been dozens of books written about the Vietnam conflict, the honest ones have confirmed this opinion.
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Yes thousands of first-hand eye-witness accounts, and yet it is all dismissed because of snopes.

All hail snopes.

You can't avoid reality.

You can only avoid looking at it.

The story about the POWs is bogus. The story about "the president honoring Hanoi Jane" is 13 years old and didn't involve any presidents. It was Barbara Walters.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/11/blame-jane-falsehoods/

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Old 02-01-2012, 09:32 AM
 
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It was manufactured. There was no attack by Vietnamese torpedo boats. In 1965, President Johnson commented privately, "For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there." Despite the Navy's claim that the two attacking torpedo boats had been sunk, there was no wreckage, bodies of dead sailors, or other physical evidence present. It was complete fiction.
According to those same conspiracy nuts didn't President Johnson meet with aliens (Grays if I remember right) at a military base in Florida in '65?
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Texas
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It was manufactured. There was no attack by Vietnamese torpedo boats. In 1965, President Johnson commented privately, "For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there." Despite the Navy's claim that the two attacking torpedo boats had been sunk, there was no wreckage, bodies of dead sailors, or other physical evidence present. It was complete fiction.

Whatever you say. My friend was in whatever the Navy calls FDC (Fire Direction Control) and HE says there was damn sure something out there and it wasn't friendly.
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Suggest checking history rather than parroting Marxist propaganda. US military forces NEVER lost a major battle to the communists, neither VC or NVA. We inflicted casualties on the enemy at several multiples of those we took. We did not lose, we withdrew because of lack of political will and because we were forced to fight under severe restraint and were never allowed to use more than a fraction of our assets. There have been dozens of books written about the Vietnam conflict, the honest ones have confirmed this opinion.

I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in those enemy casualty statistics. I know for a fact, because I was there, that one of those is an Orangutang, one was a pig, and two were a dog which hit an MA (Mechanical Ambush). That was reported as two KIA because there were four legs left over.
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Whatever you say. My friend was in whatever the Navy calls FDC (Fire Direction Control) and HE says there was damn sure something out there and it wasn't friendly.
This is from declassified files released by the NSA under a FOIA request in 2005:

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Two startling findings emerged from the new research. First, it is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night. Through a compound of analytic errors and an unwillingness to consider contrary evidence, American SIGINT elements in the region and at NSA HQs reported Hanoi's plans to attack the two ships of the Desoto patrol. Further analytic errors and an obscuring of other information led to publication of more "evidence." In truth, Hanoi's navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on 2 August.

Source: http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_file...nks_bogies.pdf
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