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I haven't forgotten either. Brain cells are funny that way - they remember things. I guess I'm special too... since I haven't forgotten what she did. I lost a parent in that useless war, yet I am not whining like some of you. The people pretending to be so outraged really need to get some perspective.
My perspective is two years of my life over there. Whining? maybe you should go back to school and learn the definition of the word... I didn't complain or protest her, if you heard high pitched sounds coming from C-D I suggest you have your system or your hearing checked out.
I said she could rot in hell as far as I was concerned, big difference.
whine (hwn, wn)v.whined, whin·ing, whines v.intr.
1. To utter a plaintive, high-pitched, protracted sound, as in pain, fear, supplication, or complaint. 2. To complain or protest in a childish fashion. 3. To produce a sustained noise of relatively high pitch:
To the posters here that say she should be forgiven because of her youth, when she went there she was 34.
Now I don't know what planet these posters are from but here on the planet Earth no matter what country one comes from 34 is an adult and held accountable for their actions.
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Jane Fonda was born on December 21, 1937. She was 34 years old when she made her infamous trip to North Vietnam and was in her 30's when she participated in anti-war demonstrations and rallies. During this same time period a large number of young American soldiers, who had not yet reached their 21st birthday, were fighting the war in Vietnam and were held accountable for all of their actions. These same young soldiers were, upon their return to the United States, still not of legal age to vote or buy alcoholic beverages. Jane Fonda was an adult when she made these conscious decisions and actions, and as such, she is responsible and should be held accountable.
I wonder if the "rot in hell" club is aware that Fonda has apologized at various times throughout the years? Even directly to Vietnam vets. On national TV too.
Does that mean I excuse her for her actions? Not at all, but at least she's tried to make amends.
Yes, life is too short.
Jane has not apologized for her stand on the war and likely won't. She holds firm to her convictions, which is an admirable trait in anyone.
She has, however, apologized for the hurt she caused others and for that infamous photo.
That's good enough for me. And, yes, I was there too, up to my eyeballs in Vietnam, but I don't hate her or the ant-war protestors either. I wasn't too fond of them at the time, but it turned out they were right all along.
You can oppose the Vietnam War or any other war without giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Opposing a war is your right as a citizen. Treason is just treason.
In retrospect Kennedy and Johnson probably shouldn't have gotten us into that mess, but the military, brass and grunts alike, did the honorable thing to try to win the war. What H. Jane did was, at the very least, disrespectful to the men in uniform.
No respectable U.S. President would honor the skank.
(Where's the puke icon?)
Actually, Truman set the stage for us to get into Viet Nam. Post WW2, France, who couldn't even keep their own country, asked Truman to help them hold onto their colony, Viet Nam. Instead of siding with Ho Chi Minh in their desire for freedom, Truman sided with France. Ho had no choice but to seek help where he could find it. Truman basically forced North Vietnam to get help from Communist countries at that point.
Do the pictures of Fonda sitting with that gun crew lie? Who was the woman in those pictures? Oh well, you really see her as a hero even though she sidled up to Jon Carry in 1971 or 2 calling the American soldiers murderers and baby killers. She was as low back then as Carry was.
What Jane Fonda did was wrong and insulting but she didn't get anyone killed. If you want to get angry, save it for people like McNamara, 50,000 soldiers were killed because of stupid mistakes and policy decsions by him and others.
"High government leaders aren't generally known for flaunting their errors. But toward the end of his life, former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara issued a string of candid mea culpas for misjudgments about Vietnam that were made during his 1961-68 tenure at the Pentagon, especially his delay in acting on growing doubts that the war could be won. "I'm very sorry that in the process of accomplishing things, I've made errors," McNamara said in Fog of War, an Oscar"
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