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Old 02-17-2012, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Because the documents they got a hold of didn't prove their point at all of a conspiracy of BIG MONEY flowing into skeptical coffers?

Oh...sure does look like it.

This is HILARIOUS!

They are about as efficient in FAKING documents as they are in predicting cataclysmic Global Warming.

Notes on the faked Heartland document | Watts Up With That?

Timeline and notes/observations follows.

WHY would the warmists need to FAKE the document in the first place?

Because the REAL documents didn't provide the "smoking gun" the warmists were looking for.

Never mind the fact they had to engage in deception and a potentially criminal act to get the documents in the first place.

If the sceptics’ conspiracy was real, why fake the evidence? | Herald Sun Andrew Bolt Blog

If the sceptics’ conspiracy was real, why fake the evidence?

Leaked Docs From Heartland Institute Cause a Stir—but Is One a Fake? - Megan McArdle - National - The Atlantic

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Much of the attention has centered around an explosive document titled "2012 Heartland Climate Strategy", which contains stuff like their plans for "dissuading [K-12 teachers] from teaching science".
That was the FIRST clue the document was fake.

What follows is a good list of the reasons why the document is a fake.

Lets look at a list of who really gets the big money on the GW issue;

logic-gate: the smog blog exposes irrational rage, innumeracy, and heartland’s efficient success. « JoNova: Science, carbon, climate and tax

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Poor things, they were really wounded by Climategate, and they’ve been waiting, praying that some day someone would level the playing field and show that skeptics were just as petty, shameless, and money-grubbing as their team turned out to be (not to mention hypocritical, deceptive and incompetent). In their dreams.

Instead the hyped non-denier-gate shows just how incredibly successful the Heartland Institute is. The skeptics have managed to turn the propaganda around against a tide of money, and it is really some achievement.
Oh...the Left's newest boogeyman is in there to...the Koch brothers gave a whopping........$25K to the Heartland Inst in 2011...for Health Care.

Fakegate – Telegraph Blogs

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I wasn't going to write about yesterday's Heartland Institute shock-horror revelations in the Guardian because I thought it was a non-story. "Independent libertarian think-tank spends trifling* sums of money to counter the state's liberal-left propaganda". Gosh, hold the front page. Run it next to the story about the Pope being caught worshipping regularly in Rome and the photograph of a bear pooping behind a tree…
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Old 02-17-2012, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Clearly, the money is behind the AGW camp. When you threaten someone's source of money, you will get violent results.
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Old 02-17-2012, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Oh, this is going to be fun to watch....
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:05 AM
 
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At this point, I view the whole Global Warming debate through the very same lens a jury would view a criminal trial. Enough reasonable doubt has been cast to pursuade me to believe the Earth is "NOT GUILTY" of warming.

The Al Gore's of the world truly did a disservice to he debate by politicizing science. Fake documents and other data manipulation makes it impossible to convict mankind of warming crimes.
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:31 AM
 
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Yeah, I read about it and found it quite amusing how they keep stepping all over their own faces.

For a crowd that proclaims themselves to be the intellectuals, they sure act like a bunch of ignorant incompetent fools.

That is the funny thing about science, eventually things have to add up to which someone is going to call them on it.
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Yeah, I read about it and found it quite amusing how they keep stepping all over their own faces.

For a crowd that proclaims themselves to be the intellectuals, they sure act like a bunch of ignorant incompetent fools.

That is the funny thing about science, eventually things have to add up to which someone is going to call them on it.
Stepped in it big time.

Romm is a rabid, frothing AGWarmist and it looks like he will do anything trying to discredit a skeptical org.

Imagine that......wealthy donors giving to an organization for research into the "science" of AGW...WOW...BREAKING NEWS!

Remember, only liberals can have wealthy donors to support their causes...like deceiving the public.

Talk about brilliantly blowing up in their faces.
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Update:

They had this guy cold, btw.

Oh...my.

Warmist ADMITS to deception and possibly illegal act.

Peter Gleick Admits to Deception in Obtaining Heartland Climate Files - NYTimes.com

Peter Gleick Admits to Deception in Obtaining Heartland Climate Files

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Now, Gleick has admitted to an act that leaves his reputation in ruins and threatens to undercut the cause he spent so much time pursuing. His summary, just published on his blog at Huffington Post, speaks for itself.
What is less than amusing is the speed with which little Andy here jumped all over this story, right out of the gate, even publishing the "fake" document for a time.

Just one look at his response and coverage of the 2nd release of Climategate emails leaves little doubt where his biases lie.

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My judgment was blinded by my frustration with the ongoing efforts — often anonymous, well-funded, and coordinated — to attack climate science and scientists and prevent this debate, and by the lack of transparency of the organizations involved. Nevertheless I deeply regret my own actions in this case.
As we have seen by links in this thread, the amount of funding for skeptics pales in comparison to the funding given to the AGWarmists. There is a very good reason the skeptics are winning the argument even though they are outspent and out funded by the warmists. People know BS when they see it, they know when they've been snookered.

Oh, raise your hand if you believe this guy received the "fake" document in the mail...the one that was scanned, not authored by....anyone and looks like it was written by a AGWarmist, with a time/date stamp for the west coast ( Heartland doesn't have offices on WC, but GUESS who resides there?).

Wow.

Don't worry Peter, the AGWarmists will promote you for this and give you a raise.

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Old 02-21-2012, 09:19 AM
 
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They are desperate, trashing about in their death throes.

AGW is dead as a movement. Administrations and organizations are distancing themselves, adjusting their policy and official statements, "green tech" that rode the politics rather than the viability of their product are collapsing, museums are taking down their "climate doom" displays, etc...

This crowd was caught in their lies and as they continue to grasp to proclaim themselves correct, they get dirtier and dirtier.

This movement was never about "science", it was about activism, politics, and money.

Notice how the usual soldiers for AGW on this board aren't touching this thing with a 10-foot pole.
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Old 02-21-2012, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Oh, this is going to be fun to watch....
Gosh darn, were you ever right.......

Even prominent warmists are taken aback by his deception(s).

Quark Soup by David Appell: Peter H. Gleick: The Origin of the Heartland Documents

UN IPCC Lead Author;

http://mobile.twitter.com/RichardTol/status/171883745123647489 (broken link)

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Environmentalists are their own worst enemy. Phil Jones, Michael Mann, Peter Gleick. What fools.
This is why AGW is a RELIGION to these people. You only see that kind of fanaticism and rabid advocacy when it comes to "faith".

http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/201...#ixzz1mzRvpJvE

Climate Expert Peter Gleick Admits Deception in Obtaining Heartland Institute Papers

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And just so we’re clear, this is deception — no reputable investigative reporter would be permitted to do what Gleick did. It’s almost certainly a firing offense.
Oh, for those that didn't know - Dr Peter Gleick writes and speaks, lectures on...........ethics in science.
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Old 02-21-2012, 11:32 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Gosh darn, were you ever right.......

Even prominent warmists are taken aback by his deception(s).

Quark Soup by David Appell: Peter H. Gleick: The Origin of the Heartland Documents

UN IPCC Lead Author;

http://mobile.twitter.com/RichardTol/status/171883745123647489 (broken link)



This is why AGW is a RELIGION to these people. You only see that kind of fanaticism and rabid advocacy when it comes to "faith".

Climate Expert Admits Deception in Getting Heartland Papers | Ecocentric | TIME.com

Climate Expert Peter Gleick Admits Deception in Obtaining Heartland Institute Papers



Oh, for those that didn't know - Dr Peter Gleick writes and speaks, lectures on...........ethics in science.
Nothing ceases to amaze me at all anymore? No matter how big the lie, the truth seems to always win out.
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