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Old 02-17-2012, 10:19 PM
 
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New York Times Special Report: The C.I.A. in Iran

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Electronic Briefing Book: The Secret CIA History of the Iran Coup


Imagine if the US and UK never overthrew a sovereign Iran in the 50s. The Iranian Revolution and take over by conservative Islam, with its anti-Western view, would have never occurred, the Iranian hostage crisis wouldn't have happened, there would have never been an Iran-Iraq war, the Gulf War would have never happened, and the quagmire we are in now over 911 would have never happened either. Amazing how one mistake over greed for oil has cost us so dearly.
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:22 PM
 
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New York Times Special Report: The C.I.A. in Iran

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Electronic Briefing Book: The Secret CIA History of the Iran Coup


Imagine if the US and UK never overthrew a sovereign Iran in the 50s. The Iranian Revolution and take over by conservative Islam, with its anti-Western view, would have never occurred, the Iranian hostage crisis wouldn't have happened, there would have never been an Iran-Iraq war, the Gulf War would have never happened, and the quagmire we are in now over 911 would have never happened either. Amazing how one mistake over greed for oil has cost us so dearly.
I agree there would have been no Iranian Revolution, no Hezbollah, and no Shia terrorism.

However there'd still be Saudi Arabian backed Wahhabism which is responsible for a considerable amount of death and destruction (including 9/11).
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Old 03-21-2012, 10:55 AM
 
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Complete Speculation.

No body can predict the future or recreate the past. Not the brightest men on earth or someones god. When people can regularly predict lottery numbers I will change my mind.
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:44 AM
 
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What utter rubbish. Islam has been, throughout its existance mired in warfare, internal insurrection's, and its own form of imperialism.

The UK/US certainly haven't improved things. But the fissures are deep and A LOT older than 50/60 years.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:16 PM
 
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The UK/US certainly haven't improved things. But the fissures are deep and A LOT older than 50/60 years.
They are, but our stupidity is the cause of our own problem!
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:18 AM
 
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What utter rubbish. Islam has been, throughout its existance mired in warfare, internal insurrection's, and its own form of imperialism.

The UK/US certainly haven't improved things. But the fissures are deep and A LOT older than 50/60 years.
True, and do you think that Islamist states feel remorse or regret or feel that they were engaing in wrong doing with their expansionism?

Only we in the west hang our heads low because of our past wrong doings. We live in a world of violent animals and we are quite benevolent in comparison to many other countries
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:36 AM
 
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Complete Speculation.

No body can predict the future or recreate the past. Not the brightest men on earth or someones god. When people can regularly predict lottery numbers I will change my mind.
But those who can think, can analyze implications of decisions made in the past, consider the premise of terrorism and what fuels them. They tend to not hate history and avoid it, they make it a part of the learning process.
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:40 AM
 
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What utter rubbish. Islam has been, throughout its existance mired in warfare, internal insurrection's, and its own form of imperialism.

The UK/US certainly haven't improved things. But the fissures are deep and A LOT older than 50/60 years.
I agree. Most of these radical Wahhabist imams are not angry at the West for the past, they are angry with us because WE ARE NOT MUSLIM. They will not stop until the whole world is Islamized, or they are cultured into the modern world. The latter is more doable.
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:41 AM
 
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I agree. Most of these radical Wahhabist imams are not angry at the West for the past, they are angry with us because WE ARE NOT MUSLIM. They will not stop until the whole world is Islamized, or they are cultured into the modern world. The latter is more doable.
So Ron Paul doesn't get it as well as Santorum, Gingrich and Romney?
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:47 AM
 
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Muslim extremists would find something else to blame for their backwards status among the nations of the world. Western intervention is just the low hanging fruit.
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