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Old 03-02-2012, 02:35 AM
 
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That is a very valid point, but there really isn't a way to control for the variability that you've pointed out. Nonetheless as imperfect the experiment we can derive some idea of how conscious or even unconscious bias operates.


Agreed!

Liberals appear to have an unconscious bias against white people which makes them see racism by whites even when other numerous variables are in play.
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Old 03-02-2012, 02:52 AM
 
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This is a convenient way to absolve people of the responsibility for their prejudice. Truth is, the innocent do not automatically inherit a bad image from the guilty. It is thrust upon them by those who, acting on prejudice, withhold the benefit of the doubt in order to presume guilt on the part of the innocent at the outset. Indeed, it is the prejudiced person who in effect saddles the innocent with the responsibility for the actions of the guilty. It is prejudice itself that seeks to establish a connection (if only provisional) between two otherwise unrelated people.
Well, when we see the underclass ghetto acting black folk, what are we supposed to think? This behavior sheds poor light on all blacks, so as a result, whites will avoid black people of all class, its human nature/self preservation since there is no way for us to tell the good from the bad. What are we to do?

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Old 03-02-2012, 02:59 AM
 
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Well, when we see the underclass ghetto acting black folk, what are we supposed to think? This behaviour sheds poor light on all blacks, so as a result, whites will avoid black people of all class, its human nature/self preservation since there is no way for us to tell the good from the bad. What are we to do?
To be fair, you're making excuses. It's pretty easy to tell if someone's "ghetto" simply by looking at them and sizing them up in under 10 seconds. As long as one has eyes, they should be able to differentiate "underclass ghetto acting Black folks" with non-ghetto acting Black folks 90-95% of the time. People often say "never judge a book by it's cover", but in my experience the cover usually provides very good clues about what you're going to find in the text of the book.

Likewise, I'm sure the majority of Black people can take one look at a White person and take a pretty good guess with 90-95% accuracy as to whether that White person is middle class, professional, and educated or if they are uneducated trailer park trash.

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Old 03-02-2012, 03:05 AM
 
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To be fair, you're making excuses. It's pretty easy to tell if someone's "ghetto" simply by looking at them and sizing them up in under 10 seconds. As long as one has eyes, they should be able to differentiate "underclass ghetto acting Black folks" with non-ghetto acting Black folks 90-95% of the time.

I'm sure the majority of Black people can take one look at a White person and make a pretty good guess with 90-95% accuracy as to whether that White person is middle class, professional, and educated or if they are uneducated trailer park trash.
Wouldn't that be stereotyping?
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Old 03-02-2012, 03:19 AM
 
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Wouldn't that be stereotyping?
It's not stereotyping; it's called sizing people up. If you see a clean cut Black guy in khakis and a tucked in button down shirt, 95% chance he's not underclass and ghetto acting. On the flipside, if you see a Black guy with a fitted cap that's tilted with a du-rag underneath, jeans falling off his butt, a bunch of tattoos on his upper chest and neck, and a pair of sneakers with the laces untied, 95% chance he's a bit (or very) ghetto. Of course, there's a 5% chance you're totally wrong, but nearly everyone presents themselves in a way that essentially displays their personality (via dress, mannerisms, how they speak, etc).

It's no different than you getting lost in one of the poorer White sections of town at night and size people up before asking for directions. I'm sure you can take a pretty good guess as to whether another White person looks/seems friendly and approachable or not.

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Old 03-02-2012, 03:21 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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Well, when we see the underclass ghetto acting black folk, what are we supposed to think? This behaviour sheds poor light on all blacks, so as a result, whites will avoid black people of all class, its human nature/self preservation since there is no way for us to tell the good from the bad. What are we to do?
It amazes me how some people think in this day and age. That may be your thinking, so please don't speak for an entire community.

How would you account for the underclass and middle class white boys who get decked out in urban dress emulating "black folk"? Are they just going through a "behavior and fashion" craze??? Personally I think they look like idiots and don't pull it off very well.

Is there a special signal us white folks give off that enables people to decifer if a white person is "good" or "bad"?
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Old 03-02-2012, 03:24 AM
 
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if you see a Black guy with a fitted cap that's tilted with a du-rag underneath, jeans falling off his butt, a bunch of tattoos on his upper chest and neck, and a pair of sneakers with the laces untied, 95% chance he's a bit (or very) ghetto. Of course, there's a 5% chance you're totally wrong, but most people present themselves in a way that essentially displays their personality.
You mean to tell me you never saw a white kid dressed like that? Are white kids who dress like that exempt from that thought process?
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Old 03-02-2012, 03:25 AM
 
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It's not stereotyping; it's called sizing people up. If you see a clean cut Black guy in khakis and a tucked in button down shirt, 95% chance he's not underclass and ghetto acting. On the flipside, if you see a Black guy with a fitted cap that's tilted with a du-rag underneath, jeans falling off his butt, a bunch of tattoos on his upper chest and neck, and a pair of sneakers with the laces untied, 95% chance he's a bit (or very) ghetto. Of course, there's a 5% chance you're totally wrong, but nearly everyone presents themselves in a way that essentially displays their personality.

It's no different than you getting lost in one of the poorer White sections of town at night and size people up before asking for directions. I'm sure you can take a pretty good guess as to whether another White person looks/seems friendly and approachable or not.
Fair enough.
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Old 03-02-2012, 03:27 AM
 
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It amazes me how some people think in this day and age. That may be your thinking,
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so please don't speak for an entire community.

How would you account for the underclass and middle class white boys who get decked out in urban dress emulating "black folk"? Are they just going through a "behavior and fashion" craze??? Personally I think they look like idiots and don't pull it off very well.

Is there a special signal us white folks give off that enables people to decifer if a white person is "good" or "bad"?
Maybe not, but I think it is in the back of everyones mind.
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Old 03-02-2012, 03:29 AM
 
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You mean to tell me you never saw a white kid dressed like that? Are white kids who dress like that exempt from that thought process?
I very rarely see white kids dressed like this.
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