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Old 03-02-2012, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Ok just to prove that I'm fair this is what I have since you are partially right

This one proves your point:
[SIZE=3]Birth Control The Pill & Breast Cancer Risk - WebMD[/SIZE]

This one does not:
[SIZE=3]Birth Control Pills May Reduce Cancer Death - ABC News[/SIZE]

And this one had me really thinking:[SIZE=3]Researchers Say Birth Control Pills May Protect Nuns From Cancer ...[/SIZE]
Huh? I think you need to re read my post. The church is for conception and against any thing that prevents the possibility of conception.

And I am entirely right with the cancer risk posed by OCs. They increase risk of estrogen dependent cancers and liver cancer. As I stated before. The link you claim disproves my statement doesn't address cancer risk, only risk of death. You do understand there is a difference right?

And the one you think is a real winner? It ain't.
"“The Church has never opposed using contraceptive medications when they are medically indicated,” said Sister Mary Ann Walsh, director of media relations for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, in an email response to queries about the Lancet commentary. “The issue presented in the Lancet is a medical, not a moral one. … The chemicals found in birth control pills may have a valid medical use, for some conditions and some women. That doesn’t pose a fundamental moral problem if the drugs are not used for a contraceptive purpose.”"
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Old 03-02-2012, 10:04 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Huh? I think you need to re read my post. The church is for conception and against any thing that prevents the possibility of conception.

And I am entirely right with the cancer risk posed by OCs. They increase risk of estrogen dependent cancers and liver cancer. As I stated before. The link you claim disproves my statement doesn't address cancer risk, only risk of death. You do understand there is a difference right?

You do realize that pretty much everything that we eat, drink and inhale poses some sort of cancer risk. The study also mentions other factors such as age and child bearing status. Since the majority of women are more concerned with the positives of BCPs than the risk and apparently there are more women benefiting from them than dying what right does the church have in making that choice for them?

And the one you think is a real winner? It ain't.
"“The Church has never opposed using contraceptive medications when they are medically indicated,” said Sister Mary Ann Walsh, director of media relations for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, in an email response to queries about the Lancet commentary. “The issue presented in the Lancet is a medical, not a moral one. … The chemicals found in birth control pills may have a valid medical use, for some conditions and some women. That doesn’t pose a fundamental moral problem if the drugs are not used for a contraceptive purpose.”"
It still does not answer the question of why the concern for the prevention of pregnancies when it come to women and the promotion of pregnancies when comes to men.
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Old 03-02-2012, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Then you are saying because one does it all should do it.

Only a partisan hack would post such a statement.

Hint. NONE OF THEM SHOULD DO IT.

See I am not like you. I condemn bad behavior on both sides, not just one like you.
As I said, CRs are the new norm, the dems didn't invent the continuing resolution;

2000 7 continuing resolutions

2001 21 continuing resolutions

2002 8 continuing resolutions

2003 12 continuing resolutions

2004 7 continuing resolutions

2005 3 continuing resolutions

2006 3 continuing resolutions

2007 4 continuing resolutions

2008 4 continuing resolutions

maybe you can fill in the blanks, who controlled congress those years?
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Old 03-02-2012, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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It still does not answer the question of why the concern for the prevention of pregnancies when it come to women and the promotion of pregnancies when comes to men.
You are not making sense on either issue. The church doesn't want to prevent any pregnancies. The church also has issues with condoms, which are designed for men. The. The church is making an issue of contraception because they are being forced to provide it. They aent making an issue of any drugs that increase fertility for either sex.

Also, We are discussing OCs. The church's objection ha zero to do with cancer, that is an added concern another poster brought up. If you want to discuss the relative carcinogen dangers posed by other things, start a post. OCs increase the risk of cancer.

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Old 03-02-2012, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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Apparently, CRs are the new norm;

2000 7 continuing resolutions

2001 21 continuing resolutions

2002 8 continuing resolutions

2003 12 continuing resolutions

2004 7 continuing resolutions

2005 3 continuing resolutions

2006 3 continuing resolutions

2007 4 continuing resolutions

2008 4 continuing resolutions

maybe you can fill in the blanks, who controlled congress those years?

Those were TEMPORARY until a final budget could get passed. The Democrats don't intend to pass an actual budget because the people would actually be able to see where the money is being spent and the cuts are being made. So much for "transparancy" under this usurper.
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Old 03-02-2012, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Those were TEMPORARY until a final budget could get passed. The Democrats don't intend to pass an actual budget because the people would actually be able to see where the money is being spent and the cuts are being made. So much for "transparancy" under this usurper.
What on earth makes you think people cannot see where the money is being spent?
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Old 03-02-2012, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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What on earth makes you think people cannot see where the money is being spent?

They can't see it until AFTER it is spent. A budget would allow the people to see where the money is budgeted to be spent and thus lobby to get it changed. Budgets are blueprints for FUTURE spending.
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Old 03-02-2012, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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They can't see it until AFTER it is spent. A budget would allow the people to see where the money is budgeted to be spent and thus lobby to get it changed. Budgets are blueprints for FUTURE spending.
And thus its able to be ignored. Much ado about nothing
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Old 03-02-2012, 11:17 AM
 
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Even if I should choose to work for a Catholic organization they still have no moral right to demand control over my uterus. I am still of an organization run by celibate men that shields Nazi war criminals and pedophiles demanding the right to be accepted as a moral authority.
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Old 03-02-2012, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Hey ********* !!! WHo brought this thing up in the first place!??!?!?! You friggin people and the pathetic media know damn well NO ONE was talking about this until Obama made his unconstitutional move.

Talk about nothing else to concern yourself with....
I totally agree with you on this but my problem with the GOP candidates so far is that they are LETTING THEM GET AWAY WITH IT! Why don't they focus on the important things?? Why don't they stop getting distracted by shiney objects and beating each other up and stay focused on the prize... getting Obama out! This birth control thing is part of Obamacare, which ALL of the candidates are going to try and repeal after they get elected, so who cares what stupid things are in it now, when after the end of the year they can change it! That should be what one of them says... well you know, if you don't like Obamacare, we need to get rid of Obama.

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