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Old 03-17-2012, 02:57 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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i think it's about making the church and others going against their beliefs.it's not about RUSS or fluke. this is just the distraction from the real issue.the government forcing the church to go against it's faith. for the church it's a question of morals.whatever those might be.the church say's sex outside of marriage is adultery. sex with your wife is called pleasures of the flesh which is forbidden.only if you are tiring to have child is it acceptable.that's the problem.the pesky church.so blame the pope.
Apparently you haven't been paying attention:

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Presently, Georgetown’s health plans provide contraceptive coverage for faculty members and staff, but they deny the very same coverage to most students.
How Georgetown Can (And Should) Stick Up For Sandra Fluke | ThinkProgress

If providing contraceptive coverage for their staff and faculty doesn't bother this catholic school, do you really think you can use the argument that it's "against their faith" to have the same coverage for the students?
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Old 03-17-2012, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Humboldt Park, Chicago
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If providing contraceptive coverage for their staff and faculty doesn't bother this catholic school, do you really think you can use the argument that it's "against their faith" to have the same coverage for the students?
Ooooh! Oooh! I know this one!

NO!!
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Old 03-17-2012, 03:25 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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Ooooh! Oooh! I know this one!

NO!!
LOL!

Easy for you, maybe, but there are obviously a whole bunch who still aren't getting it.
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Old 03-17-2012, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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oh i'm sorry i didn't realize contraception was a medication.
If you don't think BCPs are a medication, you have another think coming.

Understanding Birth Control Medications (Contraceptives) Names, Brands, Side Effects, Risks, and Complications by eMedicineHealth
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Old 03-17-2012, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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mainstream media brainwashing at it's finest. BC is not medication and most doctors don't consider it to be.
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Old 03-17-2012, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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mainstream media brainwashing at it's finest. BC is not medication and most doctors don't consider it to be.
Prove that! BCPs have many other uses besides BC!

Whose talking point is this, anyway? Someone else said this last week on CD. I"ve been a nurse for >40 years and it was the first I'd ever heard such utter nonsense. A prescription item, that one takes by mouth is not a "medication"?
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Old 03-17-2012, 05:40 PM
 
Location: California
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mainstream media brainwashing at it's finest. BC is not medication and most doctors don't consider it to be.
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oh i'm sorry i didn't realize contraception was a medication.
The ignorance of some posters is astounding
It's hormones, we use them for all sorts of heatlh reasons. Thus "medication". They are also preventative of health condition called "pregnancy", which often results in needing even MORE medication.
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Old 03-17-2012, 06:10 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Nancy is self serving.she blocked American Samoa from getting the last minimum wage hike.and guess what! Nancy & hubbie owen 75% of the tuna fleet down there.so if you don't have to pay the help as much you make more $you're tuna is cheaper then your competitor so u sell more.
Not really true.

snopes.com: American Samoa Minimum Wage

Ken
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Old 03-17-2012, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Don't corporations get tax breaks for offering health insurance as part of an employee benefits package, rather than just giving the money they pay for insurance directly to the employee? If so, doesn't that completely destroy the idea that the government is "forcing" them to do something they don't like?
If there is any "tax break" for businesses offering health care plans (other than the ordinary deductibility of premiums as a business expense) then I, as an income tax preparer with 30 years of experience, am not aware of it. A number of my clients have asked me about the possibility for group coverage for small businesses they run (usually with family help, and little or no formal payroll due to the requirement for workmens' comp) but this just isn't possible for so small and "thin" an operation.

The only real benefit is the lowering of premiums, and the wider scope of coverage, due to the spreading of risk within group plans. A group plan will often accept a member with, for example, a positive marker for hepatitis 'C', when individual coverage won't. And of course, any member who separates from his/her group coverage sually sees premiums go up -- and substantially.

And as a lot of us know, independent insurers have been coming up with "bare bones" policies -- at lower cost, but geared primarily to the needs of a young workforce -- for years. This has contributed substantially to the demise of Blue Cross/Blue Shield in states like Michigan and Ohio.

The writing is on the wall -- Obama still claims that "You'll be able to keep your own insurance'". What he didn't tell you was that, as with the example of the safe dropped into a small boat, neither you nor your employer will be able to pay for it due to all the dead weight of ACORN, etc. -- invited along for the ride.
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Old 03-17-2012, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Please explain how you determined that we're discussing taxpayer money? Contraceptive pills are paid by insurance -- as they have for several decades.
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The New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd over the weekend faulted Mr. Limbaugh for saying that insuring contraception would represent another "welfare entitlement." That, Ms. Dowd insisted, "is wrong — tax dollars would not provide the benefit, employers and insurance companies would." Yet Ms. Dowd's own newspaper reports that ObamaCare "seeks to extend insurance to more than 30 million people, primarily by expanding Medicaid and providing federal subsidies to help lower- and middle-income Americans buy private coverage," at a cost of "about $938 billion over 10 years, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office."
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Obama as quoted in the article:
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"As part of the health care reform law that I signed last year, all insurance plans are required to cover preventive care at no cost….We also accepted a recommendation from the experts at the Institute of Medicine that when it comes to women, preventive care should include coverage of contraceptive services such as birth control. … we know that the overall cost of health care is lower when women have access to contraceptive services… we decided to follow the judgment of the nation's leading medical experts and make sure that free preventive care includes access to free contraceptive care."
Read you own sources. Rush Limpbag making a statement doesn't mean it is so. Your second quote said that insurance companies pay for the contraceptives -- not the gov't. Thus, you still haven't substantiated how this is paid by taxpayers? What the so-called Obamacare does is mandate health insurance. That's private health insurance.

Moreover, contraceptives on an insurance policy is a no-cost item, as insurance companies reduce overall costs by providing contraceptives.
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