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Old 03-12-2012, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Donuts!
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Old 03-12-2012, 11:55 AM
 
Location: in a cabin overlooking the mountains
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Like I said, if you haven't been there you just might change your tune. I already posted elsewhere about what happened to me. Want to go back in time to pre-ACA days?

When you are denied health insurance - Health - Health care - msnbc.com
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Old 03-12-2012, 11:55 AM
 
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What a good idea it was to politicize our health care system.
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Old 03-12-2012, 11:56 AM
 
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And cheese. You can't have wine without cheese.

By the gods, I think we're being ripped off! No wine and cheese! Harumph.
I'm a liberal, not a Frenchie. Does it have to be cheese? Can't I just get some pasta or something to go with mine?
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Old 03-12-2012, 12:14 PM
 
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Freedom Fries bub!!!!!
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Old 03-12-2012, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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They should have left it alone, maybe created a high risk pool, and been done with it. All the nonsense about the 44 million or whatever it was that weren't insured was just that, nonsense. Most of em were folks who didnt' want insurance, were already covered under another program and didn't sign up, or illegals. More of the government fixing a problem that didn't really exist and now we have a complete mess on our hands.
A problem that doesn't exist or a problem you don't want believe exist? This a new problem even in 2005 the fact is the vast majoity of the uninsured work and were citizens.

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Not all low-income individuals are eligible for Medicaid. Medicaid eligibility is based on a combination of income and population “category.†The population groups that qualify for Medicaid are generally children, parents of dependent children, pregnant women, the disabled, and the elderly. The income levels at which these groups qualify differs from state to state, and group to group, with coverage of children and pregnant women being available at higher income levels, followed by the disabled and elderly, then parents of dependent children last (though this varies by state). Childless adults who are not disabled or elderly rarely qualify for Medicaid, even at the very lowest income levels.

While the income distribution of the uninsured is skewed toward those with lower incomes, Figure 2 shows 27% of the uninsured have incomes above 300% of poverty, with one-in-ten (11%) uninsured above 500% FPL.(4) That the uninsured comprise non-trivial percentages of middle and upper income individuals is surprising. Those with incomes above 300% of poverty should generally find employer insurance affordable. Data from employers shows that average single coverage premiums for employer sponsored insurance represent 2.0% of income at 300% FPL, and average family coverage premiums represent 4.7% of income for a family of four at 300% FPL (with a higher percentage for smaller families).

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The vast majority of the uninsured are working individuals or the children of those who work.(8) In 2004, almost half of the uninsured (46%) worked full time, and another 28% worked part time or for part of the year. Many of the uninsured worked for firms that did not offer coverage, or if their employers offered coverage, they either were not eligible or did not accept the offer. Based on data from the 2001 February Supplement to the CPS matched with the 2001 March Supplement to the CPS, 18 million workers were not offered coverage and another 6 million were not eligible for coverage that their firm offered, representing 54% of the uninsured.(9) In addition, there are 6.9 million workers and dependents that have declined employer coverage and remain uninsured (19% of the uninsured).(10) These individuals are most likely to decline employer coverage because it was too costly: 3.8 million, or 52% said coverage was too expensive.

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The vast majority (79%) of the uninsured are citizens.
Overview of the Uninsured in the United States: An analysis of the 2005 Current Population Survey: Issue Brief
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Who shoved it down the throats of the US taxpayers...............


Pelosi: "We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It" - YouTube

.. and who actually read the sucker before signing???
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Fallacy: Slippery Slope

The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed. This "argument" has the following form:


1. Event X has occurred (or will or might occur).
2. Therefore event Y will inevitably happen.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another without an argument for such a claim. This is especially clear in cases in which there is a significant number of steps or gradations between one event and another.


Slide on, guys!

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Old 03-14-2012, 11:57 AM
 
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Default Dear lefties, it would be easier for you to tell us what the recipient class ISN'T entitled to.

Is there ANYTHING that one person is NOT entitled to from anothers labor?

Please let me know.
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:59 AM
 
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Cute -- which rightwing radio wingnut did you steal this "clever" gem from?
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