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It's not just wars, it is defense spending by republicans:
"We the People of the United States of America, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, prvide for the comon defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
This is one of the primary duties and purposes of the Federal Government, to "provide for the common defense."
That should be first and foremost in any budget, and we should spend as much as is required to maintain the most sophisticated weapons, and the best trained military forces that technology and money can buy. Period!
Our liberty is only as good as our ability to defend it.
It bothers me a lot, no... scares me ... that Obama is making such huge cuts, and making concessions to our enemies in our weapons programs, as well as giving away secrets.
This is Obama putting "Critical Race Theory" into action.
This is why he MUST be defeated in 2012!
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Originally Posted by Mach50
Democrats tend to stand for "progress" in society, development, positive ...... Dems generally favor reducing or maintaining defense spending.
"Progress" my royal arse! They are taking us backward! Marxism/Socialism is a failed system. That is not "progress"!
Obama is a Marxist. Not because I say he is, but because he has said he is, and he is behaving like one.
To be fair we could NOT have gone into the Middle East if the dems had not supported them
Tom Daschel was the Senate Majority Leader. Without his support, he even co-sponsored the bill, the bill would have been killed just as Reid has killed just about every bill the House has past.
"We the People of the United States of America, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, prvide for the comon defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
This is one of the primary duties and purposes of the Federal Government, to "provide for the common defense."
That should be first and foremost in any budget, and we should spend as much as is required to maintain the most sophisticated weapons, and the best trained military forces that technology and money can buy. Period!
Our liberty is only as good as our ability to defend it.
It bothers me a lot, no... scares me ... that Obama is making such huge cuts, and making concessions to our enemies in our weapons programs, as well as giving away secrets.
This is Obama putting "Critical Race Theory" into action.
This is why he MUST be defeated in 2012!
"Progress" my royal arse! They are taking us backward! Marxism/Socialism is a failed system. That is not "progress"!
Obama is a Marxist. Not because I say he is, but because he has said he is, and he is behaving like one.
"Critical Race Theory" In action.
I think at some point (probably already realized) we need to scale the empire down a tad.
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I thought Kennedy got us into Viet Nam first.
To be fair we could NOT have gone into the Middle East if the dems had not supported them
Tom Daschel was the Senate Majority Leader. Without his support, he even co-sponsored the bill, the bill would have been killed just as Reid has killed just about every bill the House has past.
I don't know about the others.
From what I understand Kennedy was a believer in the domino theory, but believed in supporting South Vietnam through military expertise, weapons, funding.etc, not actually sending Americans to fight their war. As he said, it wsa their war to fight. The Gulf of Tonkin incident happened in 1964, after his death.
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It's a function of the the very well-orchestrated and precise 50/50 division between Democrat and Republican in our ruling elite. It should be virtually impossible to get a nation as large as ours to split 50/50 in Presidential elections, and yet it happens every time.
Polls consistently prove that there are very few liberals compared to conservatives, and so the Republican Party gets the "hits" of being labeled labeled the "War Party" (though BOTH are obsessive WAR MONGERS) and the Party of the Religious Right. So they lose voters and the 50/50 power split is maintained.
There is NO political party representing fiscal conservatism, social liberalism, and isolationism. This would be my party.
The current "two" Party system is actually a one-Party system that simply gives the illusion of 'choice" to a very angry citizenry. Our Leaders don't care who wins the Presidential race--they own both candidates and make sure there ARE only two candidates.
The only threat is that Rob Paul and his Libertarian movement will actually sweep in and grab the voters who have been so betrayed by "their parties" and realize that after a lifetime of voting, nothing in Washington changes or improves no matter which "Party" is in Power. They now know Libertarians and Ron Paul offer the ONLY chance of stopping the war-mongering that has bankrupted our nation.
The unified Republicrat Party has been running terrified from Ron Paul, using an almost total media blackout and a pattern of scoffing and slandering (like school children) whenever Ron Paul is mentioned: "What? Ron Paul? A total Lunatic! A crazy radical! Doesn't have a chance!"
Which is exactly what they said when Ross Perot came out of the business world and clearly showed that the road we were on would lead to ruin and the well paying jobs would leave the nation with a "Great Sucking Sound." He was absolutely right, and our nation was consequently destroyed. If we had elected Ross Perot then, we wouldn't be be facing the terrible future we have now. And if everyone who didn't vote for Perot because they thought he didn't have a chance HAD voted for him, he would have WON. Let's not make that same catastrophic mistake.
The Republicans and the Democrats will both continue to cover the world with wars. If you don't want your taxes supporting this, WRITE IN Rob Paul if you have to.
I do think politicians do benefit from winning, of course, but half the time I doubt they really believe the crap they are spewing and it is more about staying power than anything else...the war issue is a hot-button topic and one that the parties use to further DIVIDE people. It's like they concentrate people's views, or pressure them to take on the views of one or the other side, simply to win. The same goes for Republicans painting Democrats as 'socialists' which is absurd to anyone but a die-hard Republican supporter with his head stuck up his arse, and Democrats painting Republicans as bigoted, redneck warmongers. The two parties try to polarize people more and more. This did not go on pre-Reagan. There was no idea of one party being more 'conservative' than the other. In real world terms is there a big difference in their policies?
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Historically, most recent wars were initiated by Democratic governments.
You could say in a way the Civil War was, since the Democrats were largely associated with the South.
World War I - Woodrow Wilson, Democrat
World War II - Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman
Korean War - Probably the exception
Vietnam War - LBJ
The wars in the Middle East, yes were started by Republicans. But Obama isn't really any less of a warmonger than the Republicans, but why are conservatives/Republicans seen as being more pro-war?
Thom Hartmann was talking about that last night...Reagan changed it over to the chickenhawk party...Repubs were fairly sensible prior to that jerkwad.
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