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What makes you think the remaining US would have to ask for your oil? Same thing we should have done with Canada. Much easier to just take it, with or without your permission. (Though it would be much easier on the TX population if they just surrender it.
When you find out what a refinery actually does, and you still don't understand , Oh nevermind.. enjoy your rant..
I thought this thread was about Texans betraying the United States?
Nah, they are not treasonous and wishing for demise of the USA, just an amicable split. It is all a thought experiment.
So many of the right wing threads here talk about a world where Rush Limbaugh could write the Constitution, everyone would pull their weight, and no gays would kiss in public. Such a libertarian world has never existed anywhere, so a free Texas is as close as we will ever get to that Conservatopia dream, IMO. So, this thread is about what they would do, and how would we respond. Let's assume another Civil War is not an option.
Yes, it would be interesting given that 3 refineries were just shut down on the east coast and the majority of the remaining refineries are in Texas.. When you're right, you're right... It would be interesting.
This is so completely wrong ...
First off, only one refinery has been shut down -- the Conoco Phillipps in Philadelphia, which is now on the market. CP believes it can sell it (to someone, obviously, who will start it up again). Sunoco will shut down its Marcus Hook refinery in June, while Hovensa announced in January that it will shut its Virgin Islands refinery.
Now, those three jurisdictions -- PA, NJ and VI -- produce a total of 1.8m bpd; that's 10% of the U.S. total, and includes all refineries in those jurisdictions, not just the ones closing.
Texas refines 4.7m bpd, or 26% of the U.S. total. So the total U.S. refining capacity outside of those states/territories where some (but not all) of the refineries have been shut down and outside of Texas totals over 11m bpd, well over twice the capacity of Texas.
Of course, those refineries only operate in order to sell product. If borders changed, the sales would continue. Refusing to sell product isn't much of a business model, after all.
First off, only one refinery has been shut down -- the Conoco Phillipps in Philadelphia, which is now on the market. CP believes it can sell it (to someone, obviously, who will start it up again). Sunoco will shut down its Marcus Hook refinery in June, while Hovensa announced in January that it will shut its Virgin Islands refinery.
Now, those three jurisdictions -- PA, NJ and VI -- produce a total of 1.8m bpd; that's 10% of the U.S. total, and includes all refineries in those jurisdictions, not just the ones closing.
Texas refines 4.7m bpd, or 26% of the U.S. total. So the total U.S. refining capacity outside of those states/territories where some (but not all) of the refineries have been shut down and outside of Texas totals over 11m bpd, well over twice the capacity of Texas.
Of course, those refineries only operate in order to sell product. If borders changed, the sales would continue. Refusing to sell product isn't much of a business model, after all.
You're right on the numbers, but think about the end result. I'm not argueing your numbers.......Then there comes the question of what the rest of the states with other refineries would do?
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You'd need a passport to fly through Texas. Plus don't forget tarriffs, etc. For the borders.
And we could charge them for use of the Colorado River. Wait, what? Ah, it originates in Colorado.
All your "water rights", etc. would have to be rescinded and reworked out again. Interesting.
They also would have to face shipping out of a Coast and fishing out on a coast that was not part of them. Those are US waters.. not Texas waters. US coast guard would not give one crap about ya, heh. Neither would the military.
Plus,the Border Patrol would leave and when Mexico "officially" invaded them (instead of just sneaking in a couple thousand a night )the US military wouldn't care...Texas would be the new base for the Mexican drug war and the Cartels would divide it all.
I don't think there is anyone here that realizes Texas was a Nation before it was a State. The Texas Constitution has remained the same and keeps the right to once again become a nation. It still calls Texas, the Republic of Texas, not the State of Texas.
Not in the boundaries set today, that define Texas. The boundaries that included Oklahoma and part of what is now Colorado.
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I don't think there is anyone here that realizes Texas was a Nation before it was a State. The Texas Constitution has remained the same and keeps the right to once again become a nation. It still calls Texas, the Republic of Texas, not the State of Texas.
Not in the boundaries set today, that define Texas. The boundaries that included Oklahoma and part of what is now Colorado.
Everyone is aware of that BB...today is a different day by a few years
If Texas were to secede, I'd proudly relocate to the United States. I'm an American and intend to stay one.
If Texas seceded, it would be a single-party state controlled by the Texas Republican Party and they would feel free to do whatever they pleased without any checks or balances (Texas Supreme Court is partisan). That thought alone terrifies me. It would turn into a Theocracy fast.
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