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Old 04-11-2012, 11:34 AM
 
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The Easter Bunny and santa Claus are not relevant to the origins of life, structure of matter, physical principles, etc...

Creationism is relevant to these things - and the Tennessee law allows an open discussion to take place - if one is initiated by the students.

Also - acknowledging the Creator has nothing to do with "right-wing" or left-wing". This is a non-political issue.
Evolution doesn't address the origins of life.

And I'd love to hear how creationism is relevant to the structure of matter. Please explain.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Which particular god? There are many. And lot's of different creation myths too.
Yes, there are many "gods" - there is only one God.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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It's a shame rabid liberals are not open minded (read that as actually liberal) enough in their beliefs to refrain from attempting to promote legislation that mandates everyone think as they do.
As opposed to conservatives who promote legislation that teaches bigotry and enforces only what they believe is right.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Creationism and Intelligent Design are complete nonsense.
So is the theory of evolution.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:40 AM
 
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So is the theory of evolution.
Evolution theory is based on science.

Creation theory is based on religion.

While you may dismiss science as nonsense, you should also recognize that science and religion are different disciplines, and instruction of science should not be convoluted by religious instruction, just as instruction of religion should not be convoluted by scientific instruction.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Because creationism is as antithetical to science as alchemy. The whole point of creationism is to circumvent science. It contradicts all we know about biology, cosmology, geology, chemistry, physics -- is there a hard science that creationism doesn't ignore, distort or contradict? No.
The alchemists would have loved radioactive decay...

No creationsism does not circumvent science - that is a myth propagated by the people who see creationists as a threat to their niche in the scientific world. Creationism demonstrates that the physical and chemical principles that govern the universe did not materialize out of nothing but were set in place by an intelligent designer. Science and creationsim are not mutually exclusive - they complement each other - in fact creationsism is science.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Texas
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"requires teachers to permit a discussion of alternative theories to evolution as well as other issues such as global warming."

There is no alternative theory to evolution.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Tennessee's Governor didn't sign the "Monkey Bill", but creationism will have a place in the classroom.
Each step forward for creationism is a step backward for science.

Tennessee law allows creationism theory in classrooms - chicagotribune.com
The Repubs are taking over Tenn, so this comes as no surprise, science is not their friend.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:46 AM
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It seems as if the law just makes sure that if a students raises his hand and asks a creationist driven question, the teacher won't be dismissive. That's just good pedagogy. You allow students to express their viewpoints no matter how ridiculous you think they are. Then you either comment or thank them for sharing and move on. All in all, we're probably talking about 2 minutes of class time unless you get a really aggressive student with an agenda.

In my experience, teaching both more conservative and liberal students, is that its not brought up often. Most often, students will come up to me after class and ask honest questions about how to incorporate what they learned into their worldview. Then there's a few students who will write at the end of an essay on their exam "But I believe in God". It makes me chuckle but it doesn't really bother me (or, of course, affect their grade).

Really, should a science teacher have to allow a student to pontificate on their theory that mental illness is caused by demonic possession? Or how about wasting class time debating whether the sun revolves around the earth?

I am sorry, but some discussions are just so ridiculous as to not be worthy of even one minute of classroom time. A discussion of a religious based creation myth in a science class falls squarely into that ridiculous area.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:46 AM
 
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The alchemists would have loved radioactive decay...

No creationsism does not circumvent science - that is a myth propagated by the people who see creationists as a threat to their niche in the scientific world. Creationism demonstrates that the physical and chemical principles that govern the universe did not materialize out of nothing but were set in place by an intelligent designer. Science and creationsim are not mutually exclusive - they complement each other - in fact creationsism is science.
Creationism is NOT science.

It is religious belief.

They aren't mutually exclusive. People can believe in religion and science. But creationism has zero testable hypotheses. Science is based on testable hypotheses. Therefore creationism is excluded from science.
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