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Old 04-15-2012, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Reality
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And so did Trayvon.
Great so we all agree that both of the people involved in this altercation both had full rights to be where they were that night. Based on what I've read they both can reasonably claim residency in the complex so they both "belonged" there.

Do we all agree on that point?

 
Old 04-15-2012, 09:15 AM
 
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I am white. I don't walk in Watts at night. Even though I legitimately can...Mayne Trayvon would be alive if he was inside watching Tv...instead of walking around a residential area, where he does not live...
 
Old 04-15-2012, 09:18 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Unless you were there, you don't know that.
Doesn't matter. I'd bet a good lawyer can sell it to the jury... Not Guilty.
 
Old 04-15-2012, 09:19 AM
 
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People who were there have stated that Trayvon was beating Zimmerman meaning that yes, he was at the very least "an" aggressor if not "the" aggressor. In addition to that we know for a fact that Trayvon got shot, that's pretty much a known fact.
People? How many actual eyewitnesses were there? And you do realize that eyewitness testimony is not always reliable and credible...don't you? It is up to, what I assume is the FBI at this point, confirming the reliability and credibility of any witness claims.
 
Old 04-15-2012, 09:26 AM
 
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I am white. I don't walk in Watts at night. Even though I legitimately can...Mayne Trayvon would be alive if he was inside watching Tv...instead of walking around a residential area, where he does not live...
He had every right to be there. He was visting his father and father's girlfriend. The community is a mixed race community. It's a damn shame if a teen cannot take a walk at 7 PM to get a snack...anywhere.
 
Old 04-15-2012, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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And so did Trayvon.
Thanks for that insightful response. I don't think I've ever questioned Trayvon's right to walk around the development.
 
Old 04-15-2012, 09:30 AM
 
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People? How many actual eyewitnesses were there? And you do realize that eyewitness testimony is not always reliable and credible...don't you? It is up to, what I assume is the FBI at this point, confirming the reliability and credibility of any witness claims.
I haven't seen or heard of any witness that claims they saw Zimmerman on top of Trayvon beating him, have you? I'm not being rude BTW, I honestly haven't heard of any witness that claims that, only the witness that saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Old 04-15-2012, 09:43 AM
 
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I haven't seen or heard of any witness that claims they saw Zimmerman on top of Trayvon beating him, have you? I'm not being rude BTW, I honestly haven't heard of any witness that claims that, only the witness that saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
You said "people" which translates to plural...more than one. I asked you how many.

There are also the issues surrounding "eyewitness testimony". There are thousands of sites that discuss some of the problems with it.

The Problem with Eyewitness Testimony
The Problem With Eyewitness Testimony

Professionals take the possible shortcomings of eyewitness testimony into consideration. Was the witness drinking prior to "witnessing" the incident, does the witness wear glasses, proximity of witness to crime scene, etc. These are just examples of technical issues as there will also be a character reliability check of the witness.
 
Old 04-15-2012, 09:45 AM
 
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I haven't seen or heard of any witness that claims they saw Zimmerman on top of Trayvon beating him, have you? I'm not being rude BTW, I honestly haven't heard of any witness that claims that, only the witness that saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
You are not wrong. You are 100% correct.
 
Old 04-15-2012, 09:47 AM
 
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People? How many actual eyewitnesses were there? And you do realize that eyewitness testimony is not always reliable and credible...don't you? It is up to, what I assume is the FBI at this point, confirming the reliability and credibility of any witness claims.
An eyewitness is certainly better than a witness who didn't see a thing but thought they heard a voice that sounded like an adolescent crying out for help.
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