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Old 04-26-2012, 12:33 PM
 
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The more people they put into prisons ( including children )
the more money is to be made for the companies running the prison.

Less prisoners they go broke.
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Well there is no lack of evidence that the private prison industry has been at the forefront of promoting minimum maximum sentencing.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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You may have been born in the wrong century. Not to mention the fact that the 8th amendment did away with beating prisoners. Maybe you would be more at home in Saudia Arabia. I hear they do that over there. Of course being Jewish, you may end up on the wrong end of the stick. Pun intended.
I would support overturning the 8th amendment. Violent criminals made their decision to kill or physically harm their victim. They didn't have to do it but they insisted on it. It's only fair and just that the criminal get's equal or worse punishment than what they gave their victim.

The Saudi Arabia analogy is weak. If they would put me "on the wrong side of the stick" they would be punishing/killing an innocent man who never harmed a fly. I only want punishment for those who physically harmed their fellow man.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:37 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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I would support overturning the 8th amendment. Violent criminals made their decision to kill or physically harm their victim. They didn't have to do it but they insisted on it. It's only fair and just that the criminal get's equal or worse punishment than what they gave their victim.

The Saudi Arabia analogy is weak. If they would put me "on the wrong side of the stick" they would be punishing/killing an innocent man who never harmed a fly. I only want punishment for those who physically harmed their fellow man.

Sure. Eye for an eye. I get it.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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OP - Wg=hat is the point? The point is to make money for the prison owners.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:40 PM
 
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You know, we should look at the root causes of crime rather then trying to treat the symptoms.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:44 PM
 
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I would support overturning the 8th amendment. Violent criminals made their decision to kill or physically harm their victim. They didn't have to do it but they insisted on it. It's only fair and just that the criminal get's equal or worse punishment than what they gave their victim.

The Saudi Arabia analogy is weak. If they would put me "on the wrong side of the stick" they would be punishing/killing an innocent man who never harmed a fly. I only want punishment for those who physically harmed their fellow man.
So you are for state sponsored torture. I get it. Our founders saw how that worked in England, which is why we have the 8th amendment. Like I said there are some great Muslim countries that feel the way that you do.

You do understand that there a good many prisoners who are simply crazy, but since you seem to be working out of the old testament, maybe we should just exorcise their demons before we torture them.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:58 PM
 
Location: The Beautiful Pocono Mountains
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20% of the population commit 80% of the crimes. That's the general rule. Sometimes you will see two different races with the same crime and differing sentences. There are all sorts of factors that go into sentencing. If one has a harsher sentence for the same crime it's usually because they have a long rap sheet and have already gone through external alternative programs. The lighter sentence may be their first time and that person lives in a different county.
I worked in corrections for a long time and saw people from one county get chance after chance, yet someone from a different county get one shot at an alternative and the next time they are locked up.

Some problems I've seen are that in prison/jail, many people have better living conditions than on the street. They have access to health care, recreation programs, cable tv, education, trades, etc. Prison is no longer punitive.
That said, our criminal prosecuting of simple possession is not helping the inmate population. We do need to legalize some drugs and decriminalize. That will free up a lot of room. Then it needs to be a place of punishment. I don't mean physical beating either.
Without drug offenders, true criminals will be in there. I must say that selling drugs to minors should still be a crime.
True criminals need a punitive environment to rehabilitate themselves. No more cable tv, rec programs, college courses, and the like. You offer simply good, a yard to walk/exercise in, a place to worship, and GED classes IF the inmate wants to get it and if they will be released.
Obviously there will be health care, but nothing crazy like there is now for them. Meals should be basic. Not starvation, just basic nutrition.
Just my two cents from someone that worked in it.
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:05 PM
 
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Well there is no lack of evidence that the private prison industry has been at the forefront of promoting minimum maximum sentencing.
No, just the opposite. There appears to be evidence of judges handing out long sentences for minor crimes, expediting Americans into these jails who normally would have walked home instead. In which many have been released.

What is with for-profit prison stock being traded on Wall Street? Man, that does not sound right what so ever.
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:11 PM
 
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The local jail....bigger or smaller....is not the problem. The problem is that there aren't enough prisons to put criminals in pre-trial or post trial. I agree that we don't need bigger jails....we need more prisons. A jail should be a transient control point. Once a person is charged with a crime, cart them off to prison to wait for court appearances. Give them the taste of what they can look forward to pending the outcome of their trial.
You are assuming that all people charged with a crime are guilty of that crime. How would you like to be some prisoners rape victim because of mistaken identity?
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:15 PM
 
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You are assuming that all people charged with a crime are guilty of that crime. How would you like to be some prisoners rape victim because of mistaken identity?
That probably never crossed his mind. If you are charged with a crime you must be guilty...oh wait, innocent until proven guilty, where have I head that before.

A lot of criminal cases are dismissed after they have been charged because the case is to weak to prosecute or the person is found to be innocent. Lets send those innocent dudes down to prison to be raped.
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