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"In the 2010 election, 87 freshmen House Republicans came to Washington pledging fealty to the Tea Party movement and the ideals of limited government and economic freedom. The mainstream media likes to say that the freshman class is the most uncompromising group of fiscal conservatives in history...but just how Tea Party are they? Did all 87 freshmen always vote to cut spending and limit the size of government, or did some of them vote like the big-spending R.I.N.Os of the past? "
Some of them don't deserve another at bat with tea party support based on their record. It's a searchable database. Select the state and then pick the politician off the list for a list of fiscal issues and on which ones they voted wrong, highlighted.
"In the 2010 election, 87 freshmen House Republicans came to Washington pledging fealty to the Tea Party movement and the ideals of limited government and economic freedom. The mainstream media likes to say that the freshman class is the most uncompromising group of fiscal conservatives in history...but just how Tea Party are they? Did all 87 freshmen always vote to cut spending and limit the size of government, or did some of them vote like the big-spending R.I.N.Os of the past? "
Some of them don't deserve another at bat with tea party support based on their record. It's a searchable database. Select the state and then pick the politician off the list for a list of fiscal issues and on which ones they voted wrong, highlighted.
In fairness to the authentic Tea Party representatives, the entrenched powers of the GOP pretty much cut them out of the loop of decision making and power in the House. So far as I know, none of them were given any committee chairmanships or even a seat on influential and powerful committees.
On the other hand, a great many of the Representatives are Tea Party in name only and would naturally be expected to vote the official party line. That movement was co-opted very early on by people like Dick Armey and the Koch brothers who created false-front Tea Party organizations, poured money into them and hand-selected candidates who ran under the "Tea Party" banner but who were, in fact, establishment Neo-Conservatives.
It was a brilliant piece of political theater which even most real Tea Party supporters didn't see happening, so if you're going to suggest that the movement itself as been deficient in achieving it's stated goals, you have to at least make an effort to differentiate between the REAL Tea Party members of Congress and the numerous frauds. To do that, examine the "Tea Party" organizations which funded their campaigns and track the money back from there.
Both Dick Armey and the Koch brothers have a long history of supporting Tea-party-like ideas. The tea party is of course really amorphous, but at least to me it's really libertarian/limited gov't at its heart. Dick Armey has always leaned that way. The Koch bros have heavily supported the Reason Foundation and Cato, if I'm not mistaken, so they would fit into that category too.
And speaking of amorphous, I asked many a person who used the word 'neo-con' for a definition and have never gotten one. One time a friend of mine was going on about neo-con this, neo-con that. I asked him what his definition was and he replied, "it's the people you see on Fox news." Wow there's some clarity. If we use words with no definitions, we can't possibly know what we're talking about. We might as well just put some monkeys on our keyboard and let them have at it.
In fairness to the authentic Tea Party representatives, the entrenched powers of the GOP pretty much cut them out of the loop of decision making and power in the House. So far as I know, none of them were given any committee chairmanships or even a seat on influential and powerful committees.
On the other hand, a great many of the Representatives are Tea Party in name only and would naturally be expected to vote the official party line. That movement was co-opted very early on by people like Dick Armey and the Koch brothers who created false-front Tea Party organizations, poured money into them and hand-selected candidates who ran under the "Tea Party" banner but who were, in fact, establishment Neo-Conservatives.
It was a brilliant piece of political theater which even most real Tea Party supporters didn't see happening, so if you're going to suggest that the movement itself as been deficient in achieving it's stated goals, you have to at least make an effort to differentiate between the REAL Tea Party members of Congress and the numerous frauds. To do that, examine the "Tea Party" organizations which funded their campaigns and track the money back from there.
Since when does a freshman House Member ever get a chairpersonship?
Moreover, whether one is cut-out should effect how they vote on the floor.
In any case, I wouldn't take anything the Club for Growth says as the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They have an agenda and are not beyond skewing a study's methodology to further that agenda.
The original Tea Party was highly against preemptive wars.
Just like the Republican party, the Tea Party has had Progressives jump on and call themselves Tea Party and make their own Tea Party, when they hold none of the values of the original 2008 Tea Party.
We saw it happen during the run up to the 2010 mid terms.
Both Dick Armey and the Koch brothers have a long history of supporting Tea-party-like ideas. The tea party is of course really amorphous, but at least to me it's really libertarian/limited gov't at its heart. Dick Armey has always leaned that way. The Koch bros have heavily supported the Reason Foundation and Cato, if I'm not mistaken, so they would fit into that category too.
And speaking of amorphous, I asked many a person who used the word 'neo-con' for a definition and have never gotten one. One time a friend of mine was going on about neo-con this, neo-con that. I asked him what his definition was and he replied, "it's the people you see on Fox news." Wow there's some clarity. If we use words with no definitions, we can't possibly know what we're talking about. We might as well just put some monkeys on our keyboard and let them have at it.
Dick Armey and especially the Koch's are the puppet masters and birth fathers of hijacking the tea party, and turning it into the far right extremist organization it is today.
Neo-con = extreme right fox news/Beck brainwashed, Koch owned, corporatist/fascist huge government, huge spending, and anti freedom goon. AKA the tea party.
In fairness to the authentic Tea Party representatives, the entrenched powers of the GOP pretty much cut them out of the loop of decision making and power in the House. So far as I know, none of them were given any committee chairmanships or even a seat on influential and powerful committees.
On the other hand, a great many of the Representatives are Tea Party in name only and would naturally be expected to vote the official party line. That movement was co-opted very early on by people like Dick Armey and the Koch brothers who created false-front Tea Party organizations, poured money into them and hand-selected candidates who ran under the "Tea Party" banner but who were, in fact, establishment Neo-Conservatives.
It was a brilliant piece of political theater which even most real Tea Party supporters didn't see happening, so if you're going to suggest that the movement itself as been deficient in achieving it's stated goals, you have to at least make an effort to differentiate between the REAL Tea Party members of Congress and the numerous frauds. To do that, examine the "Tea Party" organizations which funded their campaigns and track the money back from there.
Where do I say that? Where? Another one with a reading comprehension problem. My suggestion was that the Tea Party(s) not back them again:
"Some of them don't deserve another at bat with tea party support based on their record."
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