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Actually, if memory serves, Obama sold his stimulus by comparing the recession to the Great Depression.
Although I would agree on the comparison, quote his words. Then we will have actual words to debate on. It won't make for a logical debate if we were to solely rely on potentially souped up quotes.
Either way, Obama would be correct. When was the last time this country saw its economy drop 6.5 million jobs in just 12 months, FY2009? Or, 8.8 million jobs over two calendar years? Or, 839K private sector jobs in just one month? Clue me in, if I've missed it.
Really? Prove where he said that. Seriously, man up and show where Obama said that. You don't even provide a source for the graph to which you linked.
Total fail on your little thread.
"Man up?" I've seen this same quote used by you numerous times on this forum. How impressive. Not to mention that you completely flubbed your understanding of what the OP actually said.
(Is it too much to ask for liberals with intellect beyond the age 20 on this forum? Please????)
I am sure you can tell the difference between adding 861K jobs versus losing 187K? That is a differential of over one million jobs over a five month span.
And the same thing would have happened if we did nothing because job creations come after EVERY SINGLE RECESSION..
"Man up?" I've seen this same quote used by you numerous times on this forum. How impressive. Not to mention that you completely flubbed your understanding of what the OP actually said.
Debate like an adult and give some data to back up your assertion and you won't hear that from me. My understanding wasn't flubbed. What the OP wrote is a lie and it was rather childish to post a graph without showing from where it came and to give a statement that he didn't back up and can't prove.
A good example would be the recent thread about people comparing the import-export bank to subsidies to companies for having corporate jets. Childishly, the OP didn't prove data to back up what he/she said. I did.
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Originally Posted by pghquest
And the same thing would have happened if we did nothing because job creations come after EVERY SINGLE RECESSION..
Well given that you blame him for the job losses and spending that are due to the recession, you should be giving him credit for the jobs created. Otherwise, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Well given that you blame him for the job losses and spending that are due to the recession, you should be giving him credit for the jobs created. Otherwise, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
For gods sakes stop lying. I didnt blame him for job losses. How the hell could I blame him for something that started a year before he was sworn into office.. Get real..
And the same thing would have happened if we did nothing because job creations come after EVERY SINGLE RECESSION..
How long does it usually take for job recovery to begin following end of recessions? If you have done trend analysis, you would know AT LEAST that?
And no, a recession can become worse, and possibly depression too. We didn't get there despite of losing nearly 9 million private sector jobs in just two years. Why do you think Bush's second tax cuts (JGTRRA, 2003) was passed if job growth automatically happens after recessions? Why do you think Bush's first tax cuts (EGTRRA, 2001) was passed, if economy was to grow anyway? Are you also suggesting that even without those republican stimulus programs, we would have seen improvement and that they were unnecessary?
One of the great lies of the dems and the left is that they or obama "inherited" anything. They CREATED the problem; obama was a senator who was part of the problem. In other words, he helped create the problem he whines about inheriting.
Who predicted it right? And who predicted that this country will lose an unprecedented 6.5 million private sector jobs in only one year (FY2009). Clearly, you have absolutely NO idea of the scale of the debacle he inherited. Either that, or a serious memory problem. But then, political hacks do so naturally to promote denial.
If you want to whine about something, find something that is honest and not pure political bickering.
Oh, let's remember ... too ... that President Obama is Worldwide President, regning over all nations and responsible for their economic issues ... which affect our economy every day and in every way. Just tell me when to pass-out the tin foil hats.
Debate like an adult and give some data to back up your assertion and you won't hear that from me. My understanding wasn't flubbed. What the OP wrote is a lie and it was rather childish to post a graph without showing from where it came and to give a statement that he didn't back up and can't prove.
Well given that you blame him for the job losses and spending that are due to the recession, you should be giving him credit for the jobs created. Otherwise, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
You mean to say that you have never seen that chart before?
Obama has created a net loss in jobs.
It takes the creation of a minimum of 150,000-200,000 jobs each month, just to keep up with the normal eb and flow of new job seekers graduating from school, people changing jobs, businesses restructuring, etc...
Obama has been president for over 40 months, so with a paltry 100k per month that would 4 million jobs, which does not keep up with the minimum required, hence our net jobs loss.
How long does it usually take for job recovery to begin following end of recessions? If you have done trend analysis, you would know AT LEAST that?
Thats not the discussion because the discussion is you giving Obama credit for job creations, even though EVERY SINGLE recession that happens.
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Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost
And no, a recession can become worse, and possibly depression too. We didn't get there despite of losing nearly 9 million private sector jobs in just two years. Why do you think Bush's second tax cuts (JGTRRA, 2003) was passed if job growth automatically happens after recessions? Why do you think Bush's first tax cuts (EGTRRA, 2001) was passed, if economy was to grow anyway? Are you also suggesting that even without those republican stimulus programs, we would have seen improvement and that they were unnecessary?
Bushs tax cuts were passed in order to reduce the period of time we were in a recession, which is why they resulted in more federal revenues. The ending of the recession is what created the jobs.
Seriously, have you even attended school? Never heard of economic business cycles? For being an expert, you dont know very much.
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