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Old 07-11-2012, 12:22 AM
 
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EXACTLY Sherlock... I'm one of the chickens too. EVERY TAX HIKE will affect most tax payers in the short term. Once a tax is initiated it rarely ends. In the long term it only gets reduced making all us chickens feel so special that we got a break, which was usery (stealing) only a few years earlier. When taxes go above 50% you are officially a slave, BTW!

Speak for yourself and start writing a check to the IRS, who will hand it to the FED, who will print money, to feed the need of politicians to spend... on things like alcohol consumption of Chinese whores, and mating habits of snails. It'll be used to line the pockets of lobbyists who make 1000% profit on every dollar invested, as they become favored by faux legislation favoring their industry. Can you say Solyndra?

I understand policy better than you, obviously.

You must crave crackers.
The Bush tax cuts were never intended to be permanent, and have done nothing to prevent the economic mess we are currently in. In fact, if anything, it made it worse. In contrast, the Clinton's taxes gave us the most prosperous economy in living memory. It's a no brainer. Trickle down has been a disaster for everyone but the rich.
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Old 07-11-2012, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The Bush tax cuts were never intended to be permanent, and have done nothing to prevent the economic mess we are currently in. In fact, if anything, it made it worse. In contrast, the Clinton's taxes gave us the most prosperous economy in living memory. It's a no brainer. Trickle down has been a disaster for everyone but the rich.
This is total revisioning. You do know you're repeating words you heard over and over so it must be true.

I've lived as a working teen/adult from Nixon through, and believe me the Reagan years were the best. The eighties was my generations (Happy Days) fifties. Tax cuts have never done anything but increase revenues and jobs. You can thank politicians and their wild generosity with the money they were suppose to spend wisely. Obviously they didn't and now we're all screwed.

Even if THEY tax everyone 100% for the next decade, things will not get fixed.

The rate of burn has to decrease and that's the only truth, no matter how you or anyone else spins this deluded fantasy that more taxes on the rich will magically "fix things"

People warned that the wealthy would leave the US under the strain... and guess what; it's happening.
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Old 07-11-2012, 02:56 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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I would be more than willing to go back to the Clinton tax rates if we can go back to the same percentage of GDP that was spent on the government during the Clinton administration.
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Old 07-11-2012, 04:42 AM
 
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Honestly, Obama will bend over and let the banks and Wall Street do to him whatever they want while the republicans stand by and cheer. The democrat leaders will look the other way until its over and then concoct some story that he boldly needed what needed to be done and Romney wouldn't have done it even if he said he would have done it, blah blah blah..
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Old 07-11-2012, 04:56 AM
 
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Isn't it sort of silly to say "Let's go back to Reagan policies" or "Let's go back to the Clinton era tax rates"? Isn't that just a little too glib?

Things are different now. We did not even have *computers* while Reagan was in office (well we did, but they were primitive and huge and not for the general public). The current economic mess is unique, and it is happening right now, and the world is even more complex than when George W. Bush was in office.
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:30 AM
 
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This is total revisioning. You do know you're repeating words you heard over and over so it must be true.
No sir, I'm speaking from experience. I wasn't born yesterday, dude. Raygun years? The best? That's hilarious.
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:32 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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A 20 percent cut across the board in every federal dept. would not hurt anyone and would greatly help our debt levels.

a 90% cut across the board in every federal department would not hurt anyone but the feds. it is exactly what should be done too.
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Old 07-11-2012, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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There is no way we will ever balance a budget without increasing taxes along with spending cuts. I would love to hear where these spending cuts are that will produce a balanced budget, neither side could agree on Sympson-Bolles that had some fairl and reasonable recommendations. This is not the time to increase taxes but at some point Bush cuts need to disappear.
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:12 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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There is no way we will ever balance a budget without increasing taxes along with spending cuts. I would love to hear where these spending cuts are that will produce a balanced budget, neither side could agree on Sympson-Bolles that had some fairl and reasonable recommendations. This is not the time to increase taxes but at some point Bush cuts need to disappear.

just default, it would get rid of all debt and force the feds to have budgets that are fiscally responsible, instead of debt ridden.
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Old 07-11-2012, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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a 90% cut across the board in every federal department would not hurt anyone but the feds. it is exactly what should be done too.
Why sling out these braindead rants? Cut the largest employer in the country by 90%? And of course also cut unemployment and food stamps for the the fools too, right? All this with unemployment at 8+%?

The Bush Tax cuts and the wars have made these sorts of statements seem like serious solutions to hard core GOP base. Let's say Mr. Romney was elected and a bunch of Tea Party goons with ideas like this. So, they axes government agencies by 35% across the board. Unemployment would spike so high, demand would collapse, and the housing market would implode. Mr. Romney and the whole party would be chased out of Washington with burning torches by their own people. This is pure fantasy, and not very creative at that.

What about actually working toward bipartisan solutions to reach sustainable revenues and to target wasteful spending and redundancy in government. That would be a far more sensible role for the GOP than all this antigovernment foolishness.
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