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Heck everyone who doesn't own a business should be offended. He's bascially calling all of you idiots. After all, everyone has the same access to the roads, public school, post office, internet, etc. If there was nothing special about the business owners, than what's wrong with all the other idiots in America?
And a couple of other thoughts:
1. My business has spent tens of thousands of dollars with the post office. I don't see that as the "government doing me a favor." I see it as me supporting the post office. If my support of the post office is seen as government dependance, I'm happy to switch all my business to Fed Ex Ground and let the post office fall even faster.
2. I didn't see a single person sitting at my kitchen table with me at 3 am when I was first getting started. I remember holding babies with RSV in my lap while trying to work, it was lots of fun. I've taken a 1 and 2 year old with me to my store when school was cancelled. Someone should have sent all of this government help to me. It's hard fricking work to start a business and comments like Obama's really p!sses me off.
I didn't realize you knew him personally to comment on his mind and ambition for it. Not to mention give a timetable for someone without his mind and ambition but with his inheritance to go broke within 5 to 10 years.
Just for sh*its and giggles can you show me your math so I can see if I get the same timetable results.
I'm not criticizing him just pointing out it's easier when you come from money.
I just don't agree with the argument that if you had an advantage somewhere you get no credit ever for anything you accomplish in life. I don't have to know someone personally to see that they are ambitious.
My timetable may or may not be right, but obviously you are missing the point. Perhaps it is clearer to you if say some would just live off their inheritance until it was gone. Don't be knit picky.
A perfect expression for the repeal of the 16th amendment. Another, for for the abolishment of a federal welfare system....with charity left standing.
Not everything "Smith" philosophized is embraced in America, i.e., unions, at a federal level.
“The greater productivity of work under the division of labor is a unifying influence. It leads men to regard each other as comrades in a joint struggle for welfare, rather than as competitors in a struggle for existence. It makes friends out of enemies, peace out of war, society out of individuals.” - Ludwig von Mises
Cool story.
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Back to Obama's speech, of which philosophy is totally lacking, he simply wants to pit the have's
against the have nots, the rich against the poor. Nothing Presidential about that. Nothing
unifying.
The rich have it sooooooo terrible in this country. I have no clue how the rich stay rich, nevermind how they keep increasing the wealth gap. Poor, poor rich folks having to enduring this class warfare. They have my condolences.
I just don't agree with the argument that if you had an advantage somewhere you get no credit ever for anything you accomplish in life. I don't have to know someone personally to see that they are ambitious.
Only people trying to claim you don't get any credit are you and your liked minded breathern.
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My timetable may or may not be right, but obviously you are missing the point. Perhaps it is clearer to you if say some would just live off their inheritance until it was gone. Don't be knit picky.
I just don't see how can you possibly know or even claim that if his dad wasn't wealthy and wasn't the governor of Michigan he would may or may not have a few less million. I got the point, but I think it's incorrect. Mitt Romney is very fortunate to have had the family he had, which isn't to say he isn't hard working or doesn't deserve credit, but obviously his family played a role.
The rich have it sooooooo terrible in this country. I have no clue how the rich stay rich, nevermind how they keep increasing the wealth gap. Poor, poor rich folks having to enduring this class warfare. They have my condolences.
Jealously, gets you - well, you can fill in the blank... can't you
I hope you are a proponent of a national sales tax, especially since you hate the rich
The simple fact is our government did spend money on it's citizens through cooperation between public and private sectors and the result is what we call America.
Can you list other governments that are better or have accomplished more, since it seems you are claiming nothing special happened and business can thrive without governments.
I never said business can thrive w/o governmenet...though than can often do better with far less government than what we currently have. I did say that government can not survive nor accomplish anything without the funds provided by private business. Please provide a list of the things the government provided that were not paid for by money taken from private businesses or the individuals they employ.
The rich have it sooooooo terrible in this country. I have no clue how the rich stay rich, nevermind how they keep increasing the wealth gap. Poor, poor rich folks having to enduring this class warfare. They have my condolences.
The rich are too busy trying to make money to care about what jealous types think.
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.
True or False?
True. That would be the private business owner's that gave me jobs when I was young, and helped pay for my college education.
There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.
True or False?
True. Whose salaries were paid for by my parents, and by the other taxpayers in the district. I thank the business owners who made such largess possible.
Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
True or False?
Somebody invested in roads and bridges.
True or False?
True. Once again, the private businesses and individuals that paid the taxes that funded their construction.
The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
True or False?
True (to some extent, anyway). Research funded, once again, by private industry and taxpaying individuals.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
Jealously, gets you - well, you can fill in the blank... can't you
I hope you are a proponent of a national sales tax, especially since you hate the rich
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The rich are too busy trying to make money to care about what jealous types think.
No need to for me to be jealous. I'm just grateful we live in a country where people are able to be upwardly mobile and pursue happiness.
Government is the people, we decided upon what services would be provided, and which laws and regulations government would uphold. Government's primary function is to provide safety and protection for the people, so we can be free to live out lives and prosper. Obama's kick is that we are supposed to thank government for doing the job that we have been paying it to do. Then he goes further and implies we were not successful because of our sweat and hard work, he thinks government made it happen.
Obama's ideological mindset is that government is the center of his universe. Look at the examples he used government teachers, government firefighters, government programs like NASA and the DOD development of the internet, and government funded projects like Hoover dam and Golden Gate Bridge. In other words, government, government, government.
Obama is not alone in this circular ideology that we owe all that we are to government, Joe Biden said:
Biden: “Every single great idea that has marked the 21st century, the 20th century and the 19th century has required government vision and government incentive.”
Obama: "If you’ve got a business - you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen"
When Obama says "somebody" he means "government".
'If you were successful, somebody (in government) along the line gave you some help. There was a great (government)teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody (governmentpolitician) helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody (government) invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business. you didn't build that. Somebody else (government) made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, (when we created government) you know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we funded the GI Bill. (governmentprogram) That's how we (government) created the middle class. That's how we built (with government funding) the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That's how we (government employees) invented the Internet . That's how we ( NASA) sent a man to the moon. We (government and the people) rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for President - because I still believe in that idea (that it's all because of government). You're not on your own, we're in this together."(you're on your own without government)
It's all government, government, government, 24/7 with this guy. He believes, as Biden does, that every great idea or vision came because of government. That is why the entrepreneur who built a product and company from the ground up, is not to be credited with anything, because some government teacher, or institution, or program, or subside or vision came from government and made it all possible. First came government, then came the idea, the hard work and the success.
Well said!! Just EXACTLY what Obama meant in my honest opinion,...and that's his goal,...to make as many dependent upon the government as is possible. Socialist are just that way.
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