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No, it is indeed libertarianism. It's a weak federal government in a nation controlled by strong local governments ruled by crooks and criminals. It's the inevitable consequence of declawing a federal system. Our founding fathers saw the importance of a strong federal government, and the very fact that no country now is a libertarian wet-dream, just like there is no communist country either, shows the true nature of your theoretical government. Human nature belies the possibility of weak governments. We won't all share, and we won't all be nice to each other, so why you think Libertarianism will work is beyond me.
And by the way, that's a No True Scotsman fallacy, or should I call it a No True Libertarian fallacy?
No, it is indeed libertarianism. It's a weak federal government in a nation controlled by strong local governments ruled by crooks and criminals. It's the inevitable consequence of declawing a federal system. Our founding fathers saw the importance of a strong federal government, and the very fact that no country now is a libertarian wet-dream, just like there is no communist country either, shows the true nature of your theoretical government. Human nature belies the possibility of weak governments. We won't all share, and we won't all be nice to each other, so why you think Libertarianism will work is beyond me.
And by the way, that's a No True Scotsman fallacy, or should I call it a No True Libertarian fallacy?
If the founders wanted "a strong federal government" then why did they so severely limit the power and authority of the federal government, why are their enumerated powers?
If the founders wanted "a strong federal government" then why did they so severely limit the power and authority of the federal government, why are their enumerated powers?
Do you know why the continental congress eventually went with the U.S. Constitution and abandoned the Articles of the Confederation? Because it resulted in a weak federal government. Understand there are limits to powers is different from letting sovereign states run with feudalism and local crime lords, which has pretty much happened with every weak central government.
If the founders wanted "a strong federal government" then why did they so severely limit the power and authority of the federal government, why are their enumerated powers?
I like how "being nice to others" entails extracting earned money with the threat of imprisonment and/or seizing of assets/wages as consequence.
Do you know why the continental congress eventually went with the U.S. Constitution and abandoned the Articles of the Confederation? Because it resulted in a weak federal government. Understand there are limits to powers is different from letting sovereign states run with feudalism and local crime lords, which has pretty much happened with every weak central government.
In what way to you believe that libertarian philosophy wishes to return to the AoC? What has occurred over the past 200 years is the gradual acquiescence of power to a few hundred elitists in DC and to a few hundred thousand paper pushing bureaucrats working in unbounded agencies.
I like how "being nice to others" entails extracting earned money with the threat of imprisonment and/or seizing of assets/wages as consequence.
Take your complaint to Thomas Jefferson and James Madison;
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ARTICLE I Section 8.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises...
And 2/3 of both Houses of Congress and 3/4 of the States that passed this:
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Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
Wrong, "The earliest predecessor railroad to the GN was the St. Paul & Pacific Railroad, a bankrupt railroad with a small amount of track in the state of Minnesota. Hill convinced John S. Kennedy (a New York City banker), Norman Kittson (Hill's friend and a wealthy fur trader), Donald Smith (an executive with the Hudson's Bay Company), George Stephen (Smith's cousin and president of the Bank of Montreal), and others to invest $5.5 million in purchasing the railroad. [1] On March 13, 1878, the road's creditors formally signed an agreement transferring their bonds and control of the railroad to Hill's investment group. [2] On September 18, 1889, Hill changed the name of the Minneapolis and St. Cloud Railway (a railroad which existed primarily on paper, but which held very extensive land grants throughout the Midwest and Pacific Northwest) to the Great Northern Railway "
the company eat built upon federal land grants, without which GN would never have built anything.
Wrong the Great Northern Railway received no land grants whatsoever. The previous company was not the Great Northern Railroad. The Great Northern Railroad did benefit indirectly however. The point which was made is that the GN didn't receive anything free they took over a bankrupt company which they paid for.
No, it is indeed libertarianism. It's a weak federal government in a nation controlled by strong local governments ruled by crooks and criminals. It's the inevitable consequence of declawing a federal system. Our founding fathers saw the importance of a strong federal government, and the very fact that no country now is a libertarian wet-dream, just like there is no communist country either, shows the true nature of your theoretical government. Human nature belies the possibility of weak governments. We won't all share, and we won't all be nice to each other, so why you think Libertarianism will work is beyond me.
And by the way, that's a No True Scotsman fallacy, or should I call it a No True Libertarian fallacy?
Hows that strong big federal government working out? And no not all the founding fathers said the inefficiency that comes with big government was good thing. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Why do you think Hamilton flip flopped?
No communist country? Ever hear of China or North Korea or Vietnam or.....?
Hows that strong big federal government working out?
I am not sure what you mean by big government, as Obama hasn't increased the size of the government.
But what the right question is, if libertarianism is a economic and political philosophy, how has it's predictions turned out?
One of the core beliefs of libertarianism is no intervention in monetary policy by government and money should be based on the gold standard. Over the last two years, gold has rocketed to $2,000 an once and then dropped 20%. Had wages and prices been based upon gold, our entire price structures would have been destabilized.
Libertarians also predicted that the Fed's tripling of the money supply would cause hyperinflation and sky-high interest rates. Inflation is almost non-existent and interest rates are at historic lows. What this tells us is that whatever model libertarianism bases it's beliefs is a flawed model. At the same time, those that believe in the Keynesian model have been entirely correct.
No, it is indeed libertarianism. It's a weak federal government in a nation controlled by strong local governments ruled by crooks and criminals. It's the inevitable consequence of declawing a federal system. Our founding fathers saw the importance of a strong federal government, and the very fact that no country now is a libertarian wet-dream, just like there is no communist country either, shows the true nature of your theoretical government. Human nature belies the possibility of weak governments. We won't all share, and we won't all be nice to each other, so why you think Libertarianism will work is beyond me.
And by the way, that's a No True Scotsman fallacy, or should I call it a No True Libertarian fallacy?
I don't think any of our founding fathers envisioned the juggernaut that our Fed Gov has become.
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