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Old 07-31-2012, 09:56 PM
 
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Where are you getting your information that he was prescribed mind-altering drugs? You're just guessing, aren't you. Even if he was prescribed drugs, it's quite common for mentally ill people not to want to take them because they dull out their emotions. The college and the doctor have a gag order placed against them preventing them from talking about Holmes. Quite a few news organizations have filed papers to get more access to everything involved in this case. If they win, we might start getting more information. In the meantime, speculating about what kind of treatment he may or may not have been in is fruitless and only serves to ramp up the hysterically inclined people and conspiracy nuts.
This psychiatrist had already been in trouble before for inappropriately prescribing drugs --- a rather drug-happy kind of doctor it appears.

It does seem like powerful mind-blowing drugs would explain much of what happened. Even telling the police right away about the bombs in his apartment -- on one hand it doesn't make sense that you would go through all that time and trouble to rig up your apartment and then immediately spill the beans.
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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This psychiatrist had already been in trouble before for inappropriately prescribing drugs --- a rather drug-happy kind of doctor it appears.

It does seem like powerful mind-blowing drugs would explain much of what happened. Even telling the police right away about the bombs in his apartment -- on one hand it doesn't make sense that you would go through all that time and trouble to rig up your apartment and then immediately spill the beans.
It's obvious that you believe that a conspiracy of some sort took place. Everyone claiming a conspiracy has a theory of what actually happened. Well, why don't you share your theory of what really happened and who is behind it with us instead of asking convoluted questions? This isn't "Things that make you go Hmmmm", or is it?

I've found trying to drag out the conclusions of conspiracy theorists is like trying to do a root canal without novacaine.
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:07 PM
 
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The only thing to say about this, there more to it than what meets the eye
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:20 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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This psychiatrist had already been in trouble before for inappropriately prescribing drugs --- a rather drug-happy kind of doctor it appears.

It does seem like powerful mind-blowing drugs would explain much of what happened. Even telling the police right away about the bombs in his apartment -- on one hand it doesn't make sense that you would go through all that time and trouble to rig up your apartment and then immediately spill the beans.
Yup, in 2005 she did get in trouble for incomplete record keeping involving Xanax prescriptions she wrote to herself when her mother was dying and Ambien for her husband and Claritin and Vicodine for a co-worker. As part of her punishment she had to get addition training. I would think the Colorado Medical Board of Examiners was also keeping a close eye on her prescription writing history for a certain period of time after that. It's just guess work to characterize her as a "rather drug-happy kind of doctor." She may have learned her lesson. If she'd been too "drug-happy" writing prescriptions she would have lost her license.
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:24 PM
 
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And how do we know where those photos came from? Did Thomas Brinkley edit them in any way? That thing he described as a "knife" certainly didn't look like "knife to me. Did they edit out the man or did they take those photos at two separate times? Were the smaller objects already listed on an evidence sheet, then placed in evidence bags and taken into custody by the times of the second photo? Could that account for differences? You know that's what that man was doing, making a list of items and where they were located. Chain of custody and all that.
Exactly. Now you are asking questions, as you should, regarding any media source, including the MSM, and for example, you can go to the CNN photos and see if they match the ones Brinkley used. So it doesn't look like a knife but WHAT IS IT? It is obviously an object or objects of some sort (one being an apparent piece of paper). Did it appear in some MSM photo? Or did Brinkley pull it out of his hat?

It is easier, though, to just accept what the talking heads tell you and let them answer all of your questions for you (if you actually have any)- which they seldom to never actually answer. They just roll things in 5 minute repetitive loops and sound bites and we.......... "believe".

There are people who are watching the media very closely these days, looking for discrepancies, looking for stories that don't match each other or don't make sense, and the like.
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:25 PM
 
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I've found trying to drag out the conclusions of conspiracy theorists is like trying to do a root canal without novacaine.
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Earth
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I'm no conspiracy theorist...in fact I take quite the pleasure in dispelling them when I can.
However, just because someone doesn't know the answer doesn't make the question illegitimate!

This nation was founded on us being able to ask questions....and we deserve answers.

When the government covers stuff up or refuses to answer then they create these conspiracies...it doesn't help that MANY have since proven to be true!

What I despise is people filling in the blanks with THEORY and presenting it as the truth!
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Very likely the psychiatrist made him worse with even more drugs -- and was too incompetent to see the problem.

In spite of all the top-dollar neuroscientists that surrounded him and had him as a student and a psychiatrist in addition -- the only one who noticed a problem seems to have been the gun range owner.
Psychiatrists are like finger prints- because opinion is theory...they are not a consistent in their professionalism - each would say something different....it's not a science- it is all speculation and many of them simply do not like some patients....and some should be patients themselves...The gun range owner probably was a good judge of character and behavior - but of course they don't have the same credibility as some fancy shrink.
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:54 PM
 
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That is a good point and worth repeating.
It wasn't that insightful. It wasn't based on anything from
"meeting him in person". Anyone who called his answering machine might
have come to the same conclusion....

.. "this guys answering machine sounds really freaky and I think he's drunk"
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Old 07-31-2012, 11:05 PM
 
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It's obvious that you believe that a conspiracy of some sort took place. Everyone claiming a conspiracy has a theory of what actually happened. Well, why don't you share your theory of what really happened and who is behind it with us instead of asking convoluted questions? This isn't "Things that make you go Hmmmm", or is it?

I've found trying to drag out the conclusions of conspiracy theorists is like trying to do a root canal without novacaine.
Where is that obvious?

Now I'm beginning to think it may be more a malpractice case. Even may be a bit sad.

The guy was fairly bright - but maybe under a whole lot of pressure. He starts to unravel -- but must have sought out mental health care and ended up with this particular psychiatrist. I suspect she inappropriately drugged him up -- because some things really don't make much sense otherwise. He's accepted into graduate school and even given a nice government stipend but could not pass the first year exit exam. Certainly drugs can affect academic performance.

He came unglued -- but still may have had a shred of sanity or morality to write to the psychiatrist warning of what was going on. That was likely a desperate plea for help -- to the only one he thought might be able to help him. Then even upon arrest, the shred of decency left in him, informed the cops of the trap that was set up.

It will be interesting how this all plays out as certain facts will likely have to be released. What had he discussed with this psychiatrist? How did she miss what was apparent so quickly to the gun range owner?
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