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Uh, those are medical schools, not Major League Baseball. We don't add schools like expansion teams just because we wanna.
Like leaders, teachers, artists, soldiers, musicians, professional athletes and such, you are either born to be a doctor, or you were not born to be a doctor. And no amount of education, training, seminars, self-help books, motivational training, audio-tapes, hypnosis, magical spells, magical potions, Harry Potter films, wishful thinking or anything else will ever change that.
Only so many people are doctors, and when you run out of people who are doctors, you import them, instead of waving a magic wand proclaiming that someone is a doctor when they are not.
And you don't seem to understand the complexities of the issue. The length of time it takes to train a doctor, particularly in specialty fields has continually increased since the 1960s. Adding additional medical schools will not reduce the time it takes to train doctors through internships and residencies.
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Even if we take your point about only so many people being doctors as given. Don't you think that when the population has a 60 million increase, there might be a proportional increase in potential doctors born, or do you think God magically fixed the number of people who are born doctors to the exact number it was in 1979?
Yes it does take time to do residencies, and internships, but how many new hospitals and clinics were built in those 20 years, between 1979-2000? The fact is even the AMA acknowledges they created a bottle neck and even the AMA is now recognizing that they need new medical schools to keep up with the demand from new hospitals. Additionally there are only so many doctors you can import and even if you import potential doctors they still have to be trained to US standards if they are coming from certain parts of the world. Additionally, the doctors we have are increasingly aging because the last major expansion in training for the medical field was in the 1960s and 1970s. You cannot just make doctors I agree, but when you intentionally create a bottle neck in training it will cause problems.
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Doctors are essential to the healthcare system, but at the same time, many make $400K+. How much is too much profit from the illnesses of others? Can the system be changed to incetivize doctors for keeping people healthy, instead of treating them when ill?
Please don't reduce this to some silly whine about some "envy" and "hate-the-rich" baloney-- This is a very significant part of our ridiculous healthcare costs...
Some are, some are not. Just like in any other profession.
Many who are best at working the system, benefit the most, while those that are best at doing their job, lose out.
Even if we take your point about only so many people being doctors as given. Don't you think that when the population has a 60 million increase, there might be a proportional increase in potential doctors born, or do you think God magically fixed the number of people who are born doctors to the exact number it was in 1979?
Yes it does take time to do residencies, and internships, but how many new hospitals and clinics were built in those 20 years, between 1979-2000? The fact is even the AMA acknowledges they created a bottle neck and even the AMA is now recognizing that they need new medical schools to keep up with the demand from new hospitals. Additionally there are only so many doctors you can import and even if you import potential doctors they still have to be trained to US standards if they are coming from certain parts of the world. Additionally, the doctors we have are increasingly aging because the last major expansion in training for the medical field was in the 1960s and 1970s. You cannot just make doctors I agree, but when you intentionally create a bottle neck in training it will cause problems.
The AMA does not determine medical school and residency slots. That decision is ultimately determined by congress in the form of funding available for those slots. Want more doctors? Call your congressman. The AMA is a political organization that has nothing to do with medical school or residency numbers.
The AMA does not determine medical school and residency slots. That decision is ultimately determined by congress in the form of funding available for those slots. Want more doctors? Call your congressman. The AMA is a political organization that has nothing to do with medical school or residency numbers.
OK I'll bite, just what does Congress have to do with if a person is accepted in Medical school?
Well there is no doctor getting rich on the amount of health care I use. A lot of people who think doctors make too much are the same people that can't figure out themselves that they need to cut back on calories or get in some exercise. Or that their blood pressure is too high -- they have free blood pressure cuffs in many pharmacies, but if you want to pay a doctor $200 to get it checked, then don't complain.
I'll never think doctors are overpaid,They work hard at getting to top teir money and it takes a long time.
Medical insurance companies on the other hand ...
The AMA does not determine medical school and residency slots. That decision is ultimately determined by congress in the form of funding available for those slots. Want more doctors? Call your congressman. The AMA is a political organization that has nothing to do with medical school or residency numbers.
Is the AMA not responsible for accreditation of new med schools?
Doctors are essential to the healthcare system, but at the same time, many make $400K+. How much is too much profit from the illnesses of others? Can the system be changed to incetivize doctors for keeping people healthy, instead of treating them when ill?
Please don't reduce this to some silly whine about some "envy" and "hate-the-rich" baloney-- This is a very significant part of our ridiculous healthcare costs...
Not only that but the obscene amounts of money (except for E.R. Docs and orthopaedic docs) go to doctors who might even make you worse off than you were when you came to see them ie Oncologists. Most primary care doctors are just glorified prescription drug salesmen. They aren't helping you get well. Rather they are putting you on Rx (with side effects) for the rest of your life! What good is that?
The facts have been out since the early 2000s that Western Medicine is the leading cause of death in this country -- more so than any disease. This includes following doctors orders. Back when they finished the first study they found after compiling the pathetic statistics from medical journals that over 700k people died that year based on only 20% reported incidents!!!!!!!!!!!! I believe Gary Null PhD was one of the coordinators of the study and there were many M.Ds too.
All doctors who went through conventional medical training are almost completely clueless and helpless when it comes knowing anything about health and when it comes to A) knowing how to diagnose the cause of a chronic or degenerative condition or disease and B) having the faintest notion of how to reverse that condition by showing the patient how to strengthen their immune system and restore their health.
The only doctors who CAN do this are those that specialize in NATUROPATHIC Medicine as opposed to mainstream ALLOPATHIC medicine. Yet it is the ALLOPATHIC doctors whose treatments get paid for by insurance in most states and make the most money yet all they can do for patients is help them live with their disease by covering up the symptoms (which of course is more lucrative than making people completely well and helping them get rid of--for good-- an "incurable" disease in a matter of months). Whereas the Naturopathic doctor can actually RESTORE ROBUST HEALTH PERMANENTLY.
Yes. The medical establishment in our country is JUST AS CORRUPT AS THE GOVERNMENT. It is all about control and taking advantage of the SHEEPLE in this country. People need to start waking up and putting 2 + 2 together. Conventional doctors are WAY WAY overpaid in my book with the exception of some surgeons and a few specialties which I mentioned.
If doctors cared about the patients as much as they cared about getting rich, perhaps they'd be willing to put their money where their mouths are and NOT GET PAID UNTIL THE PATIENT IS FULLY RECOVERED AND OFF OF ALL MEDS!. Imagine if the Insurance companies required THAT before they paid out reimbursements! You'd see the healthiest nation in the world and FAST! You'd see 99% of doctors going to school for Naturopathic Medicine NOT Allopathic Medicine. Too bad for us they don't!
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