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"Right-wingers',,,,no morals". Now THAT is the most out ragous statement I heva read in a long time.
The left-wingers are the one with no morals. Have sex anytime any time you want with whom ever you want, lie, get caught, fined, made to give up your law license and still idolized etc., etc., etc.
i could go on and on, but, there is no use.
it's both sides and that's the problem they disagree with roles of gov't period there's good people in both parties just like there's extremists in both parties.
You would have to admit Social Security was sold as a insurance plan to augment personal savings for old age. Later in the 1950's the gov. admitted it was just a tax. The Republicans were correct back in the 1930's when they did not want it. Just because Germany had it why should we have it?
All these entitlement programs are going broke so at some point the gov. will just start taking IRA'/401/Pensions to support
social security. Some crazy idea that you can have one but not both....if you have both that is because you cheated
someone else...so to be fair.....
Social Security is a morally upright program to take care of those who are old.. Romney wants to make changes to Social Security. Romney wants to cut the rate to the wealthy americans who get social security and also give people a choice.
Obama is blind to the problems of Social Security going bankrupt if something is not changed. Better to get a check under Romney than no check under Obama.
Under ObamaCare, which robs $716 B, Medicare Advantage ends. Further, in a few years hence, Medicare itself goes bankrupt.
Paul Ryan's plan restores the $716 B that ObamaCare robs, and saves Medicare for future retirees, with no changes for those soon to retire, or already retired.
The Ryan Plan also will ensure that Social Security remains in place for the future.
It is simply a lie that the Republicans want to end these programs. Let them prove it.
it's both sides and that's the problem they disagree with roles of gov't period there's good people in both parties just like there's extremists in both parties.
I agree whole heartily. That is why I cited the hypocracy of the keft.
A better question would be why do Democrats refuse to address the unrealistic financial burdens SS and Medicare have put on this country? It seems they would rather wait until there's no way to pay these obligations before they'll admit there's a problem. There's no way around it -- these programs NEED to be overhauled since they're simply NOT SUSTAINABLE until they're fixed, but as long as the Democrats present any attempts to fix these programs as "attacks" on the poor and elderly, nobody is willing to touch it in fear of being thrown under the bus, as has recently happened with Paul Ryan. Democrats are convinced Ryan wants to destroy Medicare, when he simply proposed changes to turn it around.
Was his plan perfect? No, but it's somewhere to start. But rather than take those ideas and start working towards something we could agree on, Democrats crafted scary ads saying that he was going to eliminate Medicare and throw Grandma off the cliff.
Nope, there is just too much money to be looted and Republicans are in the business of corruptly funneling public money into the pockets of their campaign donors. Sure, this move will harm the vast majority of the population but those people don't give Republican politicians money or at least not as much as the banksters do so who cares what they think?
We can say we support it all day long, but the question is, Can we afford it? Social security is running at a negative balance right now and the government is borrowing to pay current benefits. This is just like you or myself financing my LIVING EXPENSES on a credit card. The government is printing $$ to cover this shortfall right now, but they can only do so until the markets make them stop (bond auction failure, loss of reserve currency status).
I already proposed a solution to the Social Security Insurance system. Medicare and Medicaid would be replaced by a universal health care system funded with an all sources all income tax with a deductable equal to the 85th percentile. This system would not involve the private sector insurance business at all. Both private and government owned hospitals would be audited for waste, fraud and abuse. Medical personnel would be very well paid but administrators much less so. This would provide a long term solution to paying for health care in this country.
It, too, would create great consternation amongst the top 10% but as is obvious we outnumber them 9:1.
Yes, we know how you feel. Socialism! Yay! We get it. You want to take as much as you can from the rich and have the well oiled machine of the government take care of it all. Because they are so careing and efficient, right? They can't even pass a budget. Glad you are not makeing this decision since you want to get rid of private sector insurance companies all together. And since I sell Medicare supplements, you would be responsible for my job loss and tens of thousands of other jobs, if not more. Thanks. Hope you have some money stashed away too for all of our unemployment. The government doesn't do everything it is supposed to now. Why do you want them to take on more responsibility? Why do you want our seniors to have no choice in how their healthcare is run? Do you think all seniors are too stupid to make good decisions? Well, as someone who works with seniors, I can tell you that they are not. They are very wise people and they want autonomy and to be able to have a say. Medicare is good because the government helps out a group of people in need, but they can still have choices. It's a balance. And it works. It's just too bad that our oh so wonderful government(you know, the one you want to trust so much) keeps wanting to steal from it.
Oh and if you are looking for the government to go into hospitals and look for waste, fraud, and abuse then you have not been paying attention to what the government has been doing.....EVER! It's a nice sweet little fantasy that we can trust our government to help everyone and do what they say they are. But, that is fiction. Time to be realistic.
Yes, we know how you feel. Socialism! Yay! We get it. You want to take as much as you can from the rich and have the well oiled machine of the government take care of it all. Because they are so careing and efficient, right? They can't even pass a budget. Glad you are not makeing this decision since you want to get rid of private sector insurance companies all together. And since I sell Medicare supplements, you would be responsible for my job loss and tens of thousands of other jobs, if not more. Thanks. Hope you have some money stashed away too for all of our unemployment. The government doesn't do everything it is supposed to now. Why do you want them to take on more responsibility? Why do you want our seniors to have no choice in how their healthcare is run? Do you think all seniors are too stupid to make good decisions? Well, as someone who works with seniors, I can tell you that they are not. They are very wise people and they want autonomy and to be able to have a say. Medicare is good because the government helps out a group of people in need, but they can still have choices. It's a balance. And it works. It's just too bad that our oh so wonderful government(you know, the one you want to trust so much) keeps wanting to steal from it.
Oh and if you are looking for the government to go into hospitals and look for waste, fraud, and abuse then you have not been paying attention to what the government has been doing.....EVER! It's a nice sweet little fantasy that we can trust our government to help everyone and do what they say they are. But, that is fiction. Time to be realistic.
It is a sad state of affairs. On the one hand you have incompetent government and on the other sleezy, scumbag for-profit health insurance racket that sits squarely between doctor and patient along with their scumbag shareholders. What to do? A one payer system in absolute direct competition with regulated for-profit health insurance companies who will play the role as supplemental insurance coverage. Now, if it where up to me and if these insurance companies did not like it, I'd tell them to go into the car insurance racket or move their operations to Brazil. Good luck with your job prospects, you'll need it.
I was watching a video of Ronald Reagan a few days ago, from 1964, and he said something along the lines of "Now, we're not going to get rid of Social Security, but it would be best if we turned it into a purely voluntary program where smart people could direct their money. And all this talk of government in health care is the road to socialism! And also, Democrats are going to bankrupt our children because of the deficit!" The health care changes he was warning against were ultimately, of course, Medicare. Notably, he didn't repeal either of those programs as president 20 years later.
But it got me thinking. Conservatives started kvetching about social security about 10 seconds after Franklin Roosevelt put the program in place. Their arguments were essentially the same arguments Reagan made in 1964, which have gone on to be the same arguments that Bush was trotting out when he was going to privatize Social Security back in 2005. And, once again, the public smacked him down hard over it.
I have to say, the fact that they've been making the exact same arguments about these programs for almost 80 years made my ears perks up, almost like they mainly want to get rid of these programs, instead of patching them and making them work, because they oppose them purely on ideological grounds.
And now we're back to the topic again, with Paul Ryan and the voucher stuff for Medicare, and the large boost in Obama's polling numbers with the elderly in Ohio and Florida as a result.
Will this awkward dance between voters and conservatives ever end with conservatives giving up? I'm sure some of you are convinced that it will end with hyperinflation and government collapse and etc etc etc, which is what conservatives have been saying for 80 years, and that's fine, but hypothetically, supposing that doesn't happen - will there ever come a point where conservatives throw in the towel and accept that, basically, the broad electorate simply violently disagrees with them and always will?
Short answer, no, that is, until all the Boomers are gone.
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. Because they are so careing and efficient, right? They can't even pass a budget.
Glad you are not makeing this decision since you want to get rid of private sector insurance companies all together. And since I sell Medicare supplements, you would be responsible for my job loss and tens of thousands of other jobs, if not more. Thanks. Hope you have some money stashed away too for all of our unemployment. The government doesn't do everything it is supposed to now. Why do you want them to take on more responsibility? Why do you want our seniors to have no choice in how their healthcare is run? Do you think all seniors are too stupid to make good decisions? Well, as someone who works with seniors, I can tell you that they are not. They are very wise people and they want autonomy and to be able to have a say. Medicare is good because the government helps out a group of people in need, but they can still have choices. It's a balance. And it works. It's just too bad that our oh so wonderful government(you know, the one you want to trust so much) keeps wanting to steal from it.
