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Depends on what kind of boomer you are- There are very smart and good young people- and there are young people who are destructive troublesome twits. The same goes for older people- Not all old people are stupid- anymore so than all young people being stupid...This thread smacks of ageism - those who practice ageism are just as likely to be fond of sexism- racism and all the other ugly isms in the world.
Like I said- some of us elders are here to stay- with a mind and body that is in tact- get used to it...remember- death does is not considerate of age- You can be taken just as well at the age of 30 as 70.....Funny- I was at the We Day event in Toronto yesterday...as I looked at the crowd of over 25 thousand people between the ages of 12 and 18- I had a gloomy thought---all of them will live- age and die..all of them if lucky will become withered useless old people- all of them- Welcome to life.
[quote=summers73;26292194]Boomers are the most spoiled of all generations. Even more spoiled than millennials. Boomers opted for LBJ over Goldwater and got the gov't they deserved.
Fortunately, your SS and Medicare are going away soon.[quote]
You forgot to mention that we boomers spoiled our children even worse. Now we have a generation of 30+ little darlings that are chock full of entitlement feelings. And every one of them feels they are very special. LBJ? That's all ancient history, silly. Gen X and all following don't even know who he is. If you think it's bad now, just hang around and see what happens in 10 years. Those folks will want their SSI just as much. Now that the Health Care Law is going into effect, by the time they will use it most, Medicare will have long been folded into it. They will take health care for granted just as much as Canadians do now.
And even that isn't as bad as what will follow. All those aging darlings are having kids, and those kids are even more special. And, unlike their parents, they hang in groups that are much tighter than the boomer's kids or the boomers. That is a situation that has the potential for massive nonsense.
That said, back to the topic.
Sure, boomers are passing away now in both parties. And they rule both parties. But we aren't talking about just 2 parties here; there are actually 3: the Democratic Party, one Republican party, and another Republican party. The Repubs seem to be more interested in which of their factions has the most purity than in running the government and winning elections.
Can those 2 different Republican parties ever rejoin? I don't think so. Not for a long time, anyway. The Republicans were once as close to a permanent minority as it ever gets; 40 years is quite a while. The Democrats went through being a minority for a much shorter time period. That fact speaks to the differences between liberals and conservatives, and how both have shifted over the years.
How many aging people do any of us know who change up their most closely held beliefs? My guess is pretty damn few. After seeing the developments of this year, I think 2016 will be similar, and very possibly, 2020.
Meanwhile, which Republican party will capture the imagination of the young and all the newcomers to America? Will the Democrats get the most of them? Who knows. Not me, that's for sure. But I think voters will favor the party that's the most coherent and stable, because this new century started out with a lot of instability, and the world is just as unstable politically as it was in 2000. Stability equates with security; voters want some predictability and normalcy in troubled times.
The Democrats might not be all that hot at providing those things, but at least they are making continual attempts, and they are not at each other's throats continually. They are probably going to keep winning by default for as long as the Republicans stay recklessly fractured.
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Although the ideological leaders -- men like the late John Hospers and Roger McBride were somewhat older, it was boomers who read people like Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand. and refused to subscribe to a blind obedience based upon religion and patriotism, who founded the libertarian movement; people like them can be "blamed" for the "decline" of the GOP only through the eyes of the Fundamentalist know-nothings.
The Republican Party has to wake up and recognize that its future lies with the vast majority of young working people who both reject the racket that is organized labor, and are disenchanted by the powerless and phony self-effacement which is too much a feature of corporate culture. We need to focus on the definition and expansion of a basic set of employee rights, but without damaging the free economy that is the source of all prosperity.
Not an easy task, I recognize, particularly when the foundations of free enterprise are grounded in part by the Judeo-Christian work ethic. but dustbin with IslamoFascism and (pseudo-)Liberalism
A lot of people have already written off this election and are gearing up for 2016 as it seems Romney most likely will lose this election. Everyone seems to think that the republican party will have a better chance in 2016 but I'm not so sure. The republican base is getting smaller as a percentage and that's a fact. In the next 4 years how many boomers will kick off and how many minorities will become old enough to vote or gain citizenship? What will happen within the republican party itself in the next for years? It seems as if they're unable to get behind any candidate due to the fact that half of the party is made up of realistic conservative voters and the other half is made up of ultra conservative crazy folks that are unwilling to change with the times. As these folks start to die off will it allow the party to change it's stances on social issues, foreign policy and the environment enough to make it more appealing to younger voters and minorities? This shift in demographics seems bad in the short term but there's a good chance that it's what will ensure a future for the party in the next 20-30 years IMO.
This is silly.
Either you are a racist, and think that a person is genetically predisposed to vote according to their skin color, or you are easily lead around by the nose and allow political propaganda to totally influence your thoughts.
republicans are going to have to shift their immigration stance and become a free market party again. if they continue catering to communist protectionist scumbags who want closed borders then they will continue to lose latino vote and will not when on the national level ever again.
republicans are going to have to shift their immigration stance and become a free market party again. if they continue catering to communist protectionist scumbags who want closed borders then they will continue to lose latino vote and will not when on the national level ever again.
Not closed boarders, but actually attempt, just attempt, to apply a reasonable immigration policy, not throw open the borders with no regard who comes into our backyard.
A lot of people have already written off this election and are gearing up for 2016 as it seems Romney most likely will lose this election.
Wrong! In your dreams! The polls you see are rigged. They are designed to supress the Republican vote. They won't. Republicans and Tea Partiers are far too energized. It would take more than a pack of wild horses (to use a phrase from an old song) to keep us from voting!
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Everyone seems to think that the republican party will have a better chance in 2016 but I'm not so sure. The republican base is getting smaller as a percentage and that's a fact.
Fact? Really? what's your source?
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In the next 4 years how many boomers will kick off and how many minorities will become old enough to vote or gain citizenship? What will happen within the republican party itself in the next for years? It seems as if they're unable to get behind any candidate due to the fact that half of the party is made up of realistic conservative voters and the other half is made up of ultra conservative crazy folks that are unwilling to change with the times. As these folks start to die off will it allow the party to change it's stances on social issues, foreign policy and the environment enough to make it more appealing to younger voters and minorities? This shift in demographics seems bad in the short term but there's a good chance that it's what will ensure a future for the party in the next 20-30 years IMO.
If the Party "changed it's stance" (isn't it time to retire that over used word? Ever hear of "position?") it would no longer be the Republican Party. Why do we want to be a mirror image of the Democrats? Or are you trying to promote the notion that conservatism is dead?
Wrong! In your dreams! The polls you see are rigged. They are designed to supress the Republican vote. They won't. Republicans and Tea Partiers are far too energized. It would take more than a pack of wild horses (to use a phrase from an old song) to keep us from voting!
True, but i kinda like these over inflated polls, that make 0bama look like he is leading, then barely enthusiastic 0bama voters will think he has this election wrapped up, they won't contribute, and they stay home on election day.
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Fact? Really? what's your source?
no source, he just buys into the propaganda, pretends the historical ass beating the dems got in 2010 mid terms never happened, and pretend that Wisconsin's governor, Walker surviving his recall election in 2012, never happened, but pretend he did not actually win against the same opponent from 2008, by and even wider margin of votes.
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If the Party "changed it's stance" (isn't it time to retire that over used word? Ever hear of "position?") it would no longer be the Republican Party. Why do we want to be a mirror image of the Democrats? Or are you trying to promote the notion that conservatism is dead?
Agreed. Let the democrats be the party of Occupy Wall Street, open boarders, free government stuff until we are bankrupt like Greece, and thinks the purpose of government is for elected politicians to appoint bureaucrats to run our lives for us. The Republicans will be the party that respects the personal freedoms and human rights of our citizens, and thinks the purpose of government is to protect those rights and freedoms, not decide which of them to limit or take away from us.
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